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Hp doesn't break trannies...torque does. The only person I've heard of breaking the stock tranny was a guy in Russia, who made 760some hp, which means he had 600some+ ft. lbs on torque. That's a manual tranny. Have no idea about auto tho.
On that note, not many people w/ autos wanna make lots of power on FDs. Autos suck
If ya don't believe me, try test driving them back-to-back.
On that note, not many people w/ autos wanna make lots of power on FDs. Autos suck
If ya don't believe me, try test driving them back-to-back.
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From: Houston Tx
I understand that, But i came across a deal that i could not pass up
A 93 rx7 with 119,000 on the Chassie and Unkown on the motor for 5,000 Bucks
Never had a 3rd gen All 2nd and 1st gens.
So i am learning alot fast.
Going to replace all the hoses and trying to fix a check engine light that is coming on for a #2 Code (Crank Angle Sensor) It is running badly, it started great after i changed the belts it started to run rought and now getting a check engine light.
A 93 rx7 with 119,000 on the Chassie and Unkown on the motor for 5,000 Bucks
Never had a 3rd gen All 2nd and 1st gens.
So i am learning alot fast.
Going to replace all the hoses and trying to fix a check engine light that is coming on for a #2 Code (Crank Angle Sensor) It is running badly, it started great after i changed the belts it started to run rought and now getting a check engine light.
Eh, I ain't an expert, but that price prob isn't such a great "deal." 119K on the chassis = lots of suspension parts to replace, and unknown mileage on engine = rebuild soon. That's $5K right there for the rebuild alone. Who knows what the turbos look like (prob will need new ones). Suspension will run you another grand or two. Brings the price up to a good $12K 
I'm not saying the car is junk...just keep in mind a) you get what you pay for, b) FD's are money pits in the sense that they make FBs and FCs look like Hondas lol, and c) I personally believe you assume the worst case scenario when you're buying, not the best. Gotta be prepared for the worst...cuz if you're not, you can walk yourself into a very very bad "deal." With that said, it still may be worth getting.
A auto to 5-speed swap runs $1500 from GothamRacing IIRC...from beginning to end. And they're local to ya
Sounds well worth the money, given it's a huge PITA to do.
Just make sure you know what you're getting into before you jump on it, that's all. Take an FD guru from the forum w/ you to check it out. That's my $0.02.
Good luck
~Ramy

I'm not saying the car is junk...just keep in mind a) you get what you pay for, b) FD's are money pits in the sense that they make FBs and FCs look like Hondas lol, and c) I personally believe you assume the worst case scenario when you're buying, not the best. Gotta be prepared for the worst...cuz if you're not, you can walk yourself into a very very bad "deal." With that said, it still may be worth getting.
A auto to 5-speed swap runs $1500 from GothamRacing IIRC...from beginning to end. And they're local to ya
Sounds well worth the money, given it's a huge PITA to do.Just make sure you know what you're getting into before you jump on it, that's all. Take an FD guru from the forum w/ you to check it out. That's my $0.02.
Good luck
~Ramy
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From: Houston Tx
Thanks for the Good Points.
The Turbos have been Replaced, I found a original Mazda Recipte for them in the car Dated 2001 So i think that will be good to go. And i said that the eninge had a unkown number of miles because the guy didnt remember how many miles where on the car when he had the engine replaced. he is was saying something like 80,000 on the car. He was thinking that beacuse the turbos went out a year after the motor.
The rest is needs to be inspected and replaced if needed.
The Turbos have been Replaced, I found a original Mazda Recipte for them in the car Dated 2001 So i think that will be good to go. And i said that the eninge had a unkown number of miles because the guy didnt remember how many miles where on the car when he had the engine replaced. he is was saying something like 80,000 on the car. He was thinking that beacuse the turbos went out a year after the motor.
The rest is needs to be inspected and replaced if needed.
Originally Posted by Rx7_Nut13B
Thanks for the Good Points.

The Turbos have been Replaced, I found a original Mazda Recipte for them in the car Dated 2001 So i think that will be good to go. And i said that the eninge had a unkown number of miles because the guy didnt remember how many miles where on the car when he had the engine replaced. he is was saying something like 80,000 on the car. He was thinking that beacuse the turbos went out a year after the motor.
Turbos should be fine too. Is th car stock/modified?
The rest is needs to be inspected and replaced if needed.
I'd read it all, thoroughly, and print out whatever you need for the test drive. This is a great start to figuring out just how much work is necessary.
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From posts in the past, I would suggest that 300 ft./lbs. torque is approaching what you'd want to be pushing the tranny to. Keep in mind that this transmission held up very well when used in the MPV with a V6 motivating it. That is a 4000 lb. vehicle that is going to 'resist' or put a pretty good strain on all the drivetrain components.
I think most people would agree that you are looking at a fantastic deal, those that frequent the forum a lot and know what they are talking about anyway. 119K miles is NOT a lot of miles on the chassis, that would equate to a car that was only driven about 10K miles a year, which is considered light-to-moderate in the automotive world.
And if the car is in overall good shape, it indicates it has not been thrashed. Let's put it this way, I would MUCH rather have a car with 119K normally driven miles than a car with HALF that if it had been on the track or just generally abused by some goddamn punk-*** kid that didn't know **** about the car other than what he'd seen in 'The Fast and the Furious', lol! And MOST people get between 90,000 and 120,000 on the STOCK engine and turbos easily, so you potentially have YEARS of good life and (relatively) trouble-free driving ahead of you.
As far as "automatics suck" if you HAVE driven them back to back you know there is really very little overall difference in performance, other than the intial launch. The cars are within a half-second of each other in 0 - 60 times and 1/4 mile times, and there isn't a one of us here that could consistently not gain or lose a half second here or there. What I mean is all it would take in a race between the two cars would be for the 5-speed guy to be only one-half of one second off in a shift or anything else and the cars finish dead even. Math doesn't lie. I admit the FELT difference between the two cars is significant, the auto just doesn't FEEL fast, yet in the real world it is.
So yeah, you should pursue this deal!
I think most people would agree that you are looking at a fantastic deal, those that frequent the forum a lot and know what they are talking about anyway. 119K miles is NOT a lot of miles on the chassis, that would equate to a car that was only driven about 10K miles a year, which is considered light-to-moderate in the automotive world.
And if the car is in overall good shape, it indicates it has not been thrashed. Let's put it this way, I would MUCH rather have a car with 119K normally driven miles than a car with HALF that if it had been on the track or just generally abused by some goddamn punk-*** kid that didn't know **** about the car other than what he'd seen in 'The Fast and the Furious', lol! And MOST people get between 90,000 and 120,000 on the STOCK engine and turbos easily, so you potentially have YEARS of good life and (relatively) trouble-free driving ahead of you.
As far as "automatics suck" if you HAVE driven them back to back you know there is really very little overall difference in performance, other than the intial launch. The cars are within a half-second of each other in 0 - 60 times and 1/4 mile times, and there isn't a one of us here that could consistently not gain or lose a half second here or there. What I mean is all it would take in a race between the two cars would be for the 5-speed guy to be only one-half of one second off in a shift or anything else and the cars finish dead even. Math doesn't lie. I admit the FELT difference between the two cars is significant, the auto just doesn't FEEL fast, yet in the real world it is.
So yeah, you should pursue this deal!
Originally Posted by bajaman
Keep in mind that this transmission held up very well when used in the MPV with a V6 motivating it. That is a 4000 lb. vehicle that is going to 'resist' or put a pretty good strain on all the drivetrain components.
What I mean is all it would take in a race between the two cars would be for the 5-speed guy to be only one-half of one second off in a shift or anything else and the cars finish dead even. Math doesn't lie. I admit the FELT difference between the two cars is significant, the auto just doesn't FEEL fast, yet in the real world it is.
Like you said, there is indeed a significant diff feel between the cars, and that's even in the "Sports" mode.Oh and I wasn't trying to disuade him from buying the car...just don't want him jumping on it because of price, w/o knowing what other probs there may be, etc.
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
Are you saying the FD shares the same tranny w/ the MPV??


Last edited by weaklink; May 7, 2005 at 12:01 PM. Reason: for veracity's sake
Originally Posted by weaklink
basically yeah, it does, the millenia (or 929?) too I think.
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