The RX-7 confirmed to be in the pipeline for 2017---RX-Vision Unveil!!
12-17-13, 01:55 PM
#676
Wow Peter, that's pretty intense
Hey, we all have a love of Doritos and the FD in particular. In speaking with several Mazda execs "in the know" at Sevenstock, I'm convinced that Mazda is only "shelving" the rotary discussion for now to focus on Skyactiv and making the company more profitable. Is the rotary engine gone forever.... NO, but for now talking about it would only confuse the Automotive press and community at large. They are committed to staying on topic, and the current topic is "Skyactive and Skyactive D." I'm certain that rotary development will continue. We can only hope that the current Mazda president can be persuaded, or that his predecessor will be more open to a next generation rotary sportscar.
Yep, that was a very enlightening conversation we were apart of Tim.
12-17-13, 02:04 PM
#677
I the last 4-5 years, Nissan sold fewer GTR's, and Chevy sold fewer C6 Corvettes than Mazda sold RX8's in the middle of their production run, and they're not bailing on them. Those cars have over 450 horsepower made from motors twice the size of the rotary and still pass emissions.
Stop blaming sales, or emissions, or economics, or other bullshit. This was completely doable. Mazda just sucks.
Stop blaming sales, or emissions, or economics, or other bullshit. This was completely doable. Mazda just sucks.
+1 ^-- I agree 100 % . mazda's new exec is giving up on the rotary and their hardcore sports car line to make money makers to go the way of honda because the company's new CEO is all about the money , and not somuch about the zoom . The previous CEO was a racer , and a real car enthusiast This new guy I think is cash enthusiast .
I do disagree in one aspect though , the Miata still has some promise.. its supposed to have the same chassis and suspension design as the new 7 was going to have . just shorter .
12-17-13, 02:04 PM
#678
I the last 4-5 years, Nissan sold fewer GTR's, and Chevy sold fewer C6 Corvettes than Mazda sold RX8's in the middle of their production run, and they're not bailing on them. Those cars have over 450 horsepower made from motors twice the size of the rotary and still pass emissions.
Stop blaming sales, or emissions, or economics, or other bullshit. This was completely doable. Mazda just sucks.
Stop blaming sales, or emissions, or economics, or other bullshit. This was completely doable. Mazda just sucks.
It's not like Mazda has the backing of other manufacturers to help with the money and R&D. In all seriousness give it time. Mazda needs to make as much money as possible right now since they are on there own. They are headed in the right direction as the products they are putting out now are top notch.
12-17-13, 02:15 PM
#679
Agreed, it was very enjoyable.
^^Sorry, but I've owned both the Miata and FD and as hard as I try, it's difficult to get excited about the Miata, MX-5 or whatever they decide to call it. The FD is the Miata on steroids and it's early reputation is the stuff of legends. As long as I see a vast majority of Miatas owned by OPRAH readers and gray haired couples searching for the next early bird special, it's hard for me to get excited about that model.
+1 ^-- I agree 100 % . mazda's new exec is giving up on the rotary and their hardcore sports car line to make money makers to go the way of honda because the company's new CEO is all about the money , and not so much about the zoom . The previous CEO was a racer , and a real car enthusiast This new guy I think is cash enthusiast .
I do disagree in one aspect though , the Miata still has some promise.. its supposed to have the same chassis and suspension design as the new 7 was going to have . just shorter .
I do disagree in one aspect though , the Miata still has some promise.. its supposed to have the same chassis and suspension design as the new 7 was going to have . just shorter .
12-17-13, 02:16 PM
#680
Well since your obviously this passionate about the how they could be doing this and that, instead of bitching about how much Mazda sucks, maybe you could go to your garage and start developing something that may help? It's not like Mazda has the backing of other manufacturers to help with the money and R&D.
When a company gives up on that .. to make econo cars .. it kinda just makes us go BLAH ...
People buy chevy because they like the Corvette
or a nissan because the GTR is their wet dream .
because they figure damn that awesome's car's DNA is somewhere in my car.
12-17-13, 02:20 PM
#681
Do you not simply understand the business economic of this situation? You sound like someone who has never owned a business. It's the responsibility of any business to make money and turn a profit. That's something Mazda hasn't done in the last few years with the rotary. By making a profit with there other vehicles, then they can put focus on the rotary money pit. The Lexus LF-A exist for this very reason.
12-17-13, 02:20 PM
#682
Agreed, it was very enjoyable.
^^Sorry, but I've owned both the Miata and FD and as hard as I try, it's difficult to get excited about the Miata, MX-5 or whatever they decide to call it. The FD is the Miata on steroids and it's early reputation is the stuff of legends. As long as I see a vast majority of Miatas owned by OPRAH readers and gray haired couples searching for the next early bird special, it's hard for me to get excited about that model.
^^Sorry, but I've owned both the Miata and FD and as hard as I try, it's difficult to get excited about the Miata, MX-5 or whatever they decide to call it. The FD is the Miata on steroids and it's early reputation is the stuff of legends. As long as I see a vast majority of Miatas owned by OPRAH readers and gray haired couples searching for the next early bird special, it's hard for me to get excited about that model.
The FD feels complete .. its fun everywhere ..
from morning till dusk driving the FD is fun 100% of the time . except when its broken .. which is 80% of the time LMAO !
12-17-13, 02:33 PM
#683
Do you not simply understand the business economic of this situation? You sound like someone who has never owned a business. It's the responsibility of any business to make money and turn a profit. That's something Mazda hasn't done in the last few years with the rotary. By making a profit with there other vehicles, then they can put focus on the rotary money pit. The Lexus LF-A exist for this very reason.
Lets look at it this way .. everyone knew about the FD it was only out here for a few years .. but it made an impression . Then the rx8 came great chassis , but a slower car then the FD , and same reliability issues.. its not exactly rocket science why it didnt catch on like the company would of wanted .
I'm no economics major .. but I do know what makes me drool , and what makes me go dull .... a company that doesn't even have a something to drool over , and dream about .. just doesn't do it for me . BUt this hasn't changed I dont liek the new miata , I was not a fan of the rx8 , And so far the only car I think its pretty cool LOOKING is the new 6.. But will that car ever really compete with the evos ? who knows .. as of now .. they are just a boring car company to me.
no I'm not a fan of the MS3 either. I respect these cars but they just don't catch my eye ..
You know what I'd buy is something to compete with the Genesis and the G37 , a sporty coupe with mazda's devotion to suspension , lightness ,handling, and a turbo 4 banger .. Using the new design language .. I think that would be an interesting combination. RWD ofcourse..
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12-17-13, 02:37 PM
#684
I for one was thoroughly disappointed with the lack of effort put into the new Mazda 6. The Shinari/Takeri concepts were jaw-dropping and what we ended up with was a watered down and copy-cat style sedan with NO higher horsepower options and zero aftermarket. 
There's obviously a niche market for performance enthusiasts, but it's not always about how many of those "top models" you can sell. Sometimes it's just a matter of showing the world the skills of your engineering team and the imaginations of your design team.
To me it's more than just a "go fast" car. It's about a company expressing itself through its products.
Simply popping out econo-box cars doesn't do that.
There's obviously a niche market for performance enthusiasts, but it's not always about how many of those "top models" you can sell. Sometimes it's just a matter of showing the world the skills of your engineering team and the imaginations of your design team.
To me it's more than just a "go fast" car. It's about a company expressing itself through its products.
Simply popping out econo-box cars doesn't do that.
12-17-13, 02:43 PM
#685
Maybe it's because the Miata (like other Mazdas) doesn't have enough power to pull the skin off a grape.
The whole "they're a business, they need to make money" line is bullshit. Make a great car, market it correctly, and you'll make money. Like I say, Chevy and Nissan, and Toyota have all figured out how to do that.
If I'm supposed to be proud of Mazda for churning out "top notch" 6's and 3'd, that's a pretty low bar. Hyundai does that now. Where's the ambition? Why do I care about you as a brand?
The whole "they're a business, they need to make money" line is bullshit. Make a great car, market it correctly, and you'll make money. Like I say, Chevy and Nissan, and Toyota have all figured out how to do that.
If I'm supposed to be proud of Mazda for churning out "top notch" 6's and 3'd, that's a pretty low bar. Hyundai does that now. Where's the ambition? Why do I care about you as a brand?
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12-17-13, 02:48 PM
#686
Maybe it's because the Miata (like other Mazdas) doesn't have enough power to pull the skin off a grape.
The whole "they're a business, they need to make money" line is bullshit. Make a great car and you'll make money. Like I say, Chevy and Nissan, and Toyota have all figured out how to do that.
If I'm supposed to be proud of Mazda for churning out "top notch" 6's and 3'd, that's a pretty low bar. Hyundai does that now. Where's the ambition? Why do I care about you as a brand?
The whole "they're a business, they need to make money" line is bullshit. Make a great car and you'll make money. Like I say, Chevy and Nissan, and Toyota have all figured out how to do that.
If I'm supposed to be proud of Mazda for churning out "top notch" 6's and 3'd, that's a pretty low bar. Hyundai does that now. Where's the ambition? Why do I care about you as a brand?
12-17-13, 03:20 PM
#687
I will credit them for at least being honest and saying they're losers who aren't going to try anymore.
It's probably better than teasing everyone with cool looking concept sketches, and horsepower figures they don't achieve.
I wonder though, is there a 30-page internet forum thread full of passionate enthusiasts arguing in anticipation of the new SkyActive deisel mini-SUV?
It's probably better than teasing everyone with cool looking concept sketches, and horsepower figures they don't achieve.
I wonder though, is there a 30-page internet forum thread full of passionate enthusiasts arguing in anticipation of the new SkyActive deisel mini-SUV?
12-17-13, 03:27 PM
#688
Just grow a damn pair Mazda. The new Viper has a freaking 8.4 v10 that gets 12 mpg city, Dodge has the ***** to build a car like that. Stop shoveling this skyactive crap down our throats and build something worth a ****, the mx5 isnt good enough!
12-17-13, 03:47 PM
#689
Rotary Enthusiast
Maybe they should still sell 16X engines to people who want them.
Sales figures for the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ year to date: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10766
At about 40,000 cars, other manufacturers should be cautious about entering that market.
Does somebody have sales figures for the Genesis Coupe, Camaro, and Mustang?
Sales figures for the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ year to date: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10766
At about 40,000 cars, other manufacturers should be cautious about entering that market.
Does somebody have sales figures for the Genesis Coupe, Camaro, and Mustang?
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12-17-13, 04:20 PM
#690
To Peter's point, it IS interesting how Mazda has lost most if not all of it's ability to generate BUZZ leading up to major auto shows anymore. It's almost like their new models are an afterthought only mentioned on the back pages of show news. Sad, because Trey and I really took notice at Sevenstock of how excellent the interior finish is on the new Mazda 3. Just give us a damn rotary option!! Mazfest in California has turned into Snoozefest without rotary participation.
12-17-13, 04:29 PM
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i do agree in these lull periods between rotary cars, caring for Mazda gets tough. for instance Mazda won at the 25 with the diesel (that they don't sell here), and i yawned. they also unveiled some sort of diesel prototype thing that is just boring. the current miata has decent performance numbers, but when you drive it, it lacks any magic.
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12-17-13, 04:32 PM
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Do you not simply understand the business economic of this situation? You sound like someone who has never owned a business. It's the responsibility of any business to make money and turn a profit. That's something Mazda hasn't done in the last few years with the rotary. By making a profit with there other vehicles, then they can put focus on the rotary money pit. The Lexus LF-A exist for this very reason.
If they were a company interested in making money they would of been one step ahead of the BRZ which embodies everything the RX7 is.
12-17-13, 05:59 PM
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or i guess this week in California, we're going hydrogen, because toyota and honda have hydrogen cars coming out. Mazda had the hydrogen Rx8 in the showroom in 2006…
12-18-13, 01:36 PM
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mazda is out of the game of making sports cars, its pretty sad. but thats just how it goes. at least we still have nissan and soon, toyota with their new supra to make kick *** cars. ill always love my FD, but im not gonna be buying another mazda vehicle. if i want a daily driver, i still wont go to them. canning the rotary has made me lose interest in them all together. i got a mitsu lancer GTS for a daily, and i love the damn thing. if i was to get another sports car, id probably get an EVO. but then my FD is already a hand full as it is, i dont really need another hehe. maybe someday we'll get the next gen rotary sports car we want, maybe...
12-18-13, 01:50 PM
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i'm not sure about that. Mazda is usually about 10 years ahead, the FD is a great example of this, they sat around on dealership lots for years, and didn't really get popular until the late 90's.
or i guess this week in California, we're going hydrogen, because toyota and honda have hydrogen cars coming out. Mazda had the hydrogen Rx8 in the showroom in 2006…
or i guess this week in California, we're going hydrogen, because toyota and honda have hydrogen cars coming out. Mazda had the hydrogen Rx8 in the showroom in 2006…
Mazda missed the opportunity of selling lots of RX7s. A 2600 or 2700 pound NA RX7 making 250 would eat the BRZ alive.
Mazda's business plan for the FD sucked at every possible level. From marketing to dealer support. There's a reason the car sold in Japan until 2002 it was a brilliant car and they easily could of continued selling it here with much success etc....
12-18-13, 01:50 PM
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i'm not sure about that. Mazda is usually about 10 years ahead, the FD is a great example of this, they sat around on dealership lots for years, and didn't really get popular until the late 90's.
or i guess this week in California, we're going hydrogen, because toyota and honda have hydrogen cars coming out. Mazda had the hydrogen Rx8 in the showroom in 2006…
or i guess this week in California, we're going hydrogen, because toyota and honda have hydrogen cars coming out. Mazda had the hydrogen Rx8 in the showroom in 2006…
if you compare the handling of the 8 vs a hyndai genesis or even a Z the 8's suspension is somuch better then any of those cars ..
BUt the genesis sells like hotcakes .. its everywhere . its a worse car but it looks good its got fancy gizmos and its cheap so it sells .. LOL
tell me it would not sell better then the genesis .
12-18-13, 10:22 PM
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I for one was thoroughly disappointed with the lack of effort put into the new Mazda 6. The Shinari/Takeri concepts were jaw-dropping and what we ended up with was a watered down and copy-cat style sedan with NO higher horsepower options and zero aftermarket.
To me it's more than just a "go fast" car. It's about a company expressing itself through its products.
Simply popping out econo-box cars doesn't do that.
To me it's more than just a "go fast" car. It's about a company expressing itself through its products.
Simply popping out econo-box cars doesn't do that.
Lack of effort? Have you sat in one of these things? The quality Mazda is putting out is unreal (especially when you compare it to its competition). The above econo-box may be slow but it's winning comparison test all over the place. These econo-boxes have there purpose. Toyota and Honda have two bland vehicles each that make the company crap loads of money. Mazda is finally trying to steal a peace of their pie with vehicles that are more exciting to look at and drive.