The RX-7 confirmed to be in the pipeline for 2017---RX-Vision Unveil!!
02-22-13, 09:14 PM
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LOL............... yep the 991 RSR is looking pretty killer to me. Can't wait to start seeing 991 cups etc... at the track.
Super fun unless it's cold or raining out and I recommend earplugs 
My choice would be one of these.
02-23-13, 06:24 AM
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There is one thing everbody forgot it. Rx-7 Series ended at 2002. In my opinion Mazda never produce Rx-7 because Mazda change its marketin at 1995 when Rx-01 concept it show if they want to be continue to produce pure sports car 1.3lt renesis is enough for Rx-01 concept in their years.
Then they showed us Rx evolve then they produced at 2003 Rx-8
Mazda RENESIS engines will continue the Rx-8 brand in my opinion every point of view shows that way.
Mazda haven't got enough power to race with big boys(Next Nsx, Next Supra wish, GT-35, LFA)
If they have an enough power torque weight power ratio then why they wait 2017 the main reason is the hybrid skyacitv powerplant and maybe they are going to use hydrogen rotary because of the waiting shows like that. They wait the infrastructure of new fuel station of hybrids and also they are going to produce more priceless technological developments about emissions, ignition systems.
MAZDA:Mazda Cuts Precious Metal Usage 70 Percent in New Single-nanocatalyst | News Releases
Finally the product which i think Mazda produce will compete with 370z not GT-R's.
Then they showed us Rx evolve then they produced at 2003 Rx-8
Mazda RENESIS engines will continue the Rx-8 brand in my opinion every point of view shows that way.
Mazda haven't got enough power to race with big boys(Next Nsx, Next Supra wish, GT-35, LFA)
If they have an enough power torque weight power ratio then why they wait 2017 the main reason is the hybrid skyacitv powerplant and maybe they are going to use hydrogen rotary because of the waiting shows like that. They wait the infrastructure of new fuel station of hybrids and also they are going to produce more priceless technological developments about emissions, ignition systems.
MAZDA:Mazda Cuts Precious Metal Usage 70 Percent in New Single-nanocatalyst | News Releases
Finally the product which i think Mazda produce will compete with 370z not GT-R's.
02-23-13, 06:27 PM
#304
Montego
Both the FD and FC have very strong drive trains and with a turbo upgrade both easily make 400rwhp. When you look at whats important the biggest difference between the two cars is price not there capabilities.
I wish I knew a mazda engineer so I could pick his brain. My guess is after the rx8 was developed mazda had to pick a package for the market and thats where it all went wrong. My dad was a mechanical engineer and believe me, they know everything about there products and its capabilities.
Anyone who would relates high car costs with good engineering or being the best or most sophisticated is a FOOL.
Inteligence never = waste!
Engineer a fun fast sports car that doesn't cost a fortune and earn my respect/business.
Both the FD and FC have very strong drive trains and with a turbo upgrade both easily make 400rwhp. When you look at whats important the biggest difference between the two cars is price not there capabilities.
I wish I knew a mazda engineer so I could pick his brain. My guess is after the rx8 was developed mazda had to pick a package for the market and thats where it all went wrong. My dad was a mechanical engineer and believe me, they know everything about there products and its capabilities.
Anyone who would relates high car costs with good engineering or being the best or most sophisticated is a FOOL.
Inteligence never = waste!
Engineer a fun fast sports car that doesn't cost a fortune and earn my respect/business.
02-25-13, 06:57 AM
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There is one thing everbody forgot it. Rx-7 Series ended at 2002. In my opinion Mazda never produce Rx-7 because Mazda change its marketin at 1995 when Rx-01 concept it show if they want to be continue to produce pure sports car 1.3lt renesis is enough for Rx-01 concept in their years.
Then they showed us Rx evolve then they produced at 2003 Rx-8
Mazda RENESIS engines will continue the Rx-8 brand in my opinion every point of view shows that way.
Mazda haven't got enough power to race with big boys(Next Nsx, Next Supra wish, GT-35, LFA)
If they have an enough power torque weight power ratio then why they wait 2017 the main reason is the hybrid skyacitv powerplant and maybe they are going to use hydrogen rotary because of the waiting shows like that. They wait the infrastructure of new fuel station of hybrids and also they are going to produce more priceless technological developments about emissions, ignition systems.
MAZDA:Mazda Cuts Precious Metal Usage 70 Percent in New Single-nanocatalyst | News Releases
Finally the product which i think Mazda produce will compete with 370z not GT-R's.
Then they showed us Rx evolve then they produced at 2003 Rx-8
Mazda RENESIS engines will continue the Rx-8 brand in my opinion every point of view shows that way.
Mazda haven't got enough power to race with big boys(Next Nsx, Next Supra wish, GT-35, LFA)
If they have an enough power torque weight power ratio then why they wait 2017 the main reason is the hybrid skyacitv powerplant and maybe they are going to use hydrogen rotary because of the waiting shows like that. They wait the infrastructure of new fuel station of hybrids and also they are going to produce more priceless technological developments about emissions, ignition systems.
MAZDA:Mazda Cuts Precious Metal Usage 70 Percent in New Single-nanocatalyst | News Releases
Finally the product which i think Mazda produce will compete with 370z not GT-R's.
02-25-13, 01:47 PM
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I'm probably in the minority here but I would be absolutely thrilled if Mazda produced the RX-01 exactly as it was designed. I am perfectly happy with a really fun to drive sports car and that thing vehicle like nothing else, except maybe an FD. It still looks modern but not like it's trying to. Mazda probably won't be competing with the supercars this time around but a nice platform such as an RX-01 would be a great start for us enthusiasts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVgv...fl3K4y9vnXxZJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVgv...fl3K4y9vnXxZJw
As i said that platform went through Rx-8 RENESIS and as i said 1 post ago, Mazda with RENESIS engines produce Rx-8 line in my opinion lightweight, compact, emission passer, clean engine mantality.
Mazda had a chance that years with RX-01 is enough for pure sports car mantality but they didn't produce.
At this point they don't have any chance to produce like a supersport car if there will be they have not enough budget because Mazda has 37 engineers and not a big company like Honda, Toyota or Nissan and competing with them is hard job but i want them to produce a great supersports car if i am going wrong i wish i am going wrong but what we think is our dreams. I like dreams 16X Furai with no electric windows like F40 & F50 i wish maybe Mazda produce a car like that..
And the price of the product maybe 70-80k $ is enough for that car for 4wd hybrid range extender 16X Furai !
02-25-13, 01:51 PM
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The fact is one was superior to the other in all aspects and that does not come free. Seriously how many contemporary magazines are calling the 1990 FC one of the ten best of the decade? That's easy: Zero.
The truth is that it was priced accordingly... Don't believe me? look at the prices of its competition:
1993 Mazda Rx-7 $32,850
1993 Mazda RX-7 Price - CarGurus
1993 vette $35,145
1993 Chevrolet Corvette Base Price - CarGurus
1993 300zx Turbo $37,440
1993 Nissan 300ZX Price - CarGurus
1993 turbo supra $40,225
1993 Toyota Supra Price - CarGurus
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02-26-13, 01:25 AM
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This thread has been a successful tool in increasing the post count of a few newbies.
I think I am being realistic in the following. Mazda will build another rotary powered sport car. Structurally it will be much better than the FD if no other reason because the RX-8 was more rigid and this car will of course improve on most everything the RX-8 did. It will probably have an unrealistic back seat but it will be there. No extra doors. I personally think they will not have forced induction at least in the beginning. Direct injection and hopefully some of the skyactive anti-knock technology will be usable as well. 8500k redline. We will end up with a car that handles better than nearly every vehicle, if not everything else in the market, magazines will rave and it will leave alot of us disappointed with the looks, and the car will not be as fast around a track as the FD. Hopefully the looks will be good because the performance can and would certainly be improved upon either by Mazda or the rest of the rotary community. Hopefully the engine will give us something to work with so we are not forced to swap in a 13b-rew to be satisfied. I would be perfectly happy with a new rotary car that matched the FD performance wise but improved on safety, exterior paint and interior plastic quality. I don't expect this new vehicle to compete in the current horsepower/acceleration race. Price would have to start under 40k for Mazda to have a chance with it. Autocross racers would love it though.
I think I am being realistic in the following. Mazda will build another rotary powered sport car. Structurally it will be much better than the FD if no other reason because the RX-8 was more rigid and this car will of course improve on most everything the RX-8 did. It will probably have an unrealistic back seat but it will be there. No extra doors. I personally think they will not have forced induction at least in the beginning. Direct injection and hopefully some of the skyactive anti-knock technology will be usable as well. 8500k redline. We will end up with a car that handles better than nearly every vehicle, if not everything else in the market, magazines will rave and it will leave alot of us disappointed with the looks, and the car will not be as fast around a track as the FD. Hopefully the looks will be good because the performance can and would certainly be improved upon either by Mazda or the rest of the rotary community. Hopefully the engine will give us something to work with so we are not forced to swap in a 13b-rew to be satisfied. I would be perfectly happy with a new rotary car that matched the FD performance wise but improved on safety, exterior paint and interior plastic quality. I don't expect this new vehicle to compete in the current horsepower/acceleration race. Price would have to start under 40k for Mazda to have a chance with it. Autocross racers would love it though.
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02-26-13, 07:14 AM
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Interesting conclusion. You don't just magic yourself boutique/niche supercar cred overnight, though. The prices quoted above for the '90s FD, Z32TT, and Supra vs. Corvette say a lot. The three Japanese cars were dead within a few years, not because they weren't great cars, but because there isn't much of a market for Japanese cars that cost (and in the case of the Z and Supra, *weigh*) as much as a Corvette.
Since then, Mazda has been absent from the high-performance sports car marketplace. I.e., not building credibility and a name for themselves in that department.
High-dollar niche approach is not going to make Mazda money because not enough people are aching to spend ridiculous $$$ for a "Mazda". With a questionable powerplant.
IMO, they should take the small/simple/inexpensive route, which usually also results in lighter weight. The ultramegasupercar route is risky, and liable to take the RX in a bigger/heavier direction.
2500 lb. ~250hp NA 2-rotor for $30k and up
2600 lb. ~300-360hp NA 3-rotor or turbo 2-rotor for $40k and up
And to keep RX-7 average fuel economy semi-reasonable, maybe:
sub-2800 lb. ~275 combined hp NA 2-rotor hybrid for $35k and up
That's what *I'd* do if I were king of Mazda...
Since then, Mazda has been absent from the high-performance sports car marketplace. I.e., not building credibility and a name for themselves in that department.
High-dollar niche approach is not going to make Mazda money because not enough people are aching to spend ridiculous $$$ for a "Mazda". With a questionable powerplant.
IMO, they should take the small/simple/inexpensive route, which usually also results in lighter weight. The ultramegasupercar route is risky, and liable to take the RX in a bigger/heavier direction.
2500 lb. ~250hp NA 2-rotor for $30k and up
2600 lb. ~300-360hp NA 3-rotor or turbo 2-rotor for $40k and up
And to keep RX-7 average fuel economy semi-reasonable, maybe:
sub-2800 lb. ~275 combined hp NA 2-rotor hybrid for $35k and up
That's what *I'd* do if I were king of Mazda...
02-26-13, 12:04 PM
#314
So, bringing out a Lotus-like rotary to compete with piston-engined Lotus-like BRZ's head to head in price sure doesn't sound like a guarantee of success.
I think it is a good idea actually and the way they have already prepared to go.
They have already established that the new Miata will be a multi vehicle platform by making their contract with Alpha.
Do you really think they will allow Alpha put a hot engine in the Miata and be shown up by the automotive press saying "Finally, someone has fixed the biggest fault of the Miata and it wasn't Mazda."
No, they have an ace in their sleeve that will trump that.
Mazda has been very careful to keep the Miata brand a safe dancing partner for the general consumer masses; a partner that you can step on its toes and it will keep dancing. This does keep it underpowered and soft handling, but that does not mean another vehicle built on that chassis has to be "Miata" like.
As the Italians will prove with the Alpha variant. Alphas always have character.
If Mazda makes the next RX based off the Miata platform but with a fixed roof, sharper dynamics, upgraded power, brakes and suspension pieces and unique styling they will have a completely different car than a Miata and a retort to the Alpha variant.
They can even sell these uprated brakes,wheels and suspension pieces (forged alum arms, etc) in an upscale model Miata that will strengthen the image of that marque as well with its performance and make the Miata club racers happy by being able to purchase the uprated parts.
They will share development costs for this multi vehicle Miata platform with their partner Alpha to defray the costs of this RX offshoot.
I think it is a good idea actually and the way they have already prepared to go.
They have already established that the new Miata will be a multi vehicle platform by making their contract with Alpha.
Do you really think they will allow Alpha put a hot engine in the Miata and be shown up by the automotive press saying "Finally, someone has fixed the biggest fault of the Miata and it wasn't Mazda."
No, they have an ace in their sleeve that will trump that.
Mazda has been very careful to keep the Miata brand a safe dancing partner for the general consumer masses; a partner that you can step on its toes and it will keep dancing. This does keep it underpowered and soft handling, but that does not mean another vehicle built on that chassis has to be "Miata" like.
As the Italians will prove with the Alpha variant. Alphas always have character.
If Mazda makes the next RX based off the Miata platform but with a fixed roof, sharper dynamics, upgraded power, brakes and suspension pieces and unique styling they will have a completely different car than a Miata and a retort to the Alpha variant.
They can even sell these uprated brakes,wheels and suspension pieces (forged alum arms, etc) in an upscale model Miata that will strengthen the image of that marque as well with its performance and make the Miata club racers happy by being able to purchase the uprated parts.
They will share development costs for this multi vehicle Miata platform with their partner Alpha to defray the costs of this RX offshoot.
02-26-13, 12:56 PM
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I try to listen to general questions the public asks me about my car. The fact that a vast majority still ask me "has Mazda ever fixed the sealing problems" or "I hear that rotaries blow up a lot" tells me that Mazda has a considerable way to go in overcoming these general misperceptions. They need to field a bullet proof next generation rotary engine design and have 3 to 5 years of solid production numbers with few (if any) engine failures if they ever hope to win the general public over IMO.
02-26-13, 01:54 PM
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^^ lol! cuz it is so true
Ghost,
I was troubled that you never answered my question regarding what g's did the FC pulled.
Ok so i did some research and it turns out that:
Taken from here:
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati...4/#post5797173
So basically the hotrod version of the FC that was tweaked by Mazda and not available to the U.S. market only pulled 0.91G! Compared to the STOCK FD's 0.98G... wow just wow dude you call that slightly? lol! The FD completely dominated the FC in just about all aspects and you wan't them priced just the same... Come dude GTFO with that ****. In fact I'm done talking to you...
Ghost,
I was troubled that you never answered my question regarding what g's did the FC pulled.
Finally, 1991 can't be left without mentioning the RX-7 lnfini IV. This product of a Mazda skunk works for performance cars was the last of a series based on the 2nd-generation RX-7. It was to the RX-7 what the Road Runner was to the Plymouth Satellite, without the beep beep. A factory hot rod, the Infini IV was lightened ( 287lb ), by removing all the noise dampening material and using lighter parts. Stiffened ( shocks 25%, springs 10% and dropped 1" and it received a front strut brace, so the numbers showed a 0.91G on the skidpad), and generally biased as close to road race specs as you'd want a street-legal car to be.....One Intini RX-7 was brought to the United States to fascinate American journalists who, once over the right hand drive, loved the hard-edged personality of the car. And yes, after its public relations stint was over, the Infini IV was shipped hack to Japan. So don't look for it in some dusty warehouse comer.
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati...4/#post5797173
So basically the hotrod version of the FC that was tweaked by Mazda and not available to the U.S. market only pulled 0.91G! Compared to the STOCK FD's 0.98G... wow just wow dude you call that slightly? lol! The FD completely dominated the FC in just about all aspects and you wan't them priced just the same... Come dude GTFO with that ****. In fact I'm done talking to you...
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02-26-13, 04:11 PM
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The miata will need a BIG improvement to simply outpace the current BRZ. Even ladies will prefer the current BRZ to the miata. Once again Mazda is caught with the their pants down and late to the party so I hope they have something very interesting up their sleeve or the miata will be another sports car they no longer make.
Next goes the mazda 3 which can't compete with the focus or focus ST and you know other major auto companies will look to compete in this growing/popular sporty compact market so hopefully mazda has something interesting in store there as well BUT it's pretty hard to compete with BIG companies in a REALLY competitive auto market when you don't have the same advantages. It's like trying to compete in the NBA, NFL or MLB w/o the dollars it's not going to work. However Mazda can still play a sport, be competitive and make money just don't try to take on the big leagues when you have a small bank account or you'll have a loosing team and go broke.
As Gordon mentioned Mazda should take stock and figure out what the hell they are doing or they won't have to worry about building the next RX7.
Next goes the mazda 3 which can't compete with the focus or focus ST and you know other major auto companies will look to compete in this growing/popular sporty compact market so hopefully mazda has something interesting in store there as well BUT it's pretty hard to compete with BIG companies in a REALLY competitive auto market when you don't have the same advantages. It's like trying to compete in the NBA, NFL or MLB w/o the dollars it's not going to work. However Mazda can still play a sport, be competitive and make money just don't try to take on the big leagues when you have a small bank account or you'll have a loosing team and go broke.
As Gordon mentioned Mazda should take stock and figure out what the hell they are doing or they won't have to worry about building the next RX7.
02-26-13, 08:20 PM
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I struggled to read through the first few pages of this thread, sifting through the fanboy posts and the overly optimistic pleas for a rehashed FD only to skip and find your post. You nailed this square on the head. I made a small list in my head as I was scrolling and you summed it up in a realistic little wrapper that can only be called the truth.
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02-27-13, 06:24 AM
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Another inexpensive sports car aimed at 20 and 30 somethings is doomed to failure.
For me, it should be relatively inexpensive based on being small, lightweight, and somewhat minimalist. A counterpoint to the oversized, overwrought, overweight (but effective) GTR.
Being relatively inexpensive greatly expands the market. Lots of wealthy people buy and drive Miatas. It's not like someone with GTR money would be turned off by a $30-$40k kick-*** RX-7.
I said there isn't *much* of a market, not "there is no market at all".
Anyway, here's hoping the GTR isn't seen as the formula for a new RX-7...
02-27-13, 08:20 AM
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People sat around on this (and other) forums for a decade talking about how the early 90's Japanese sports cars were too hi tech, or "bloated", and you couldn't sell a Mazda (or whatever) for $35k, yada yada yada.
Then somebody built a technology-rich, "bloated" $85k Japanese supercar, and guess what? It's been over 20 years since the FD came out, and almost 40 years since the FB was a good seller. Times, tastes, and markets change.
That doesn't mean I want Mazda to build it's own GTR. It means build something that kicks *** and isn't like anything else on the market, and you create your market. Messing around trying to build something that's the same as everything else only rotary powered doesn't make sense.