If you had to give up your FD
04-08-11, 05:52 AM
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My comment wasn't directed at you Supernaut but I've read what's been written and I don't see much being written other than yeah it's alright kind of comments and I am saying it's more than alright. I am also saying a Supra is just as good of a collectable if not better than a RX7. Djseven explained that part quite well I think.
You're saying you'd buy one if you wanted straight line speed but that has nothing to do with the car, it's the route most Supra owners take in the US hence the stereotype. Like I said and posted examples of it before, if you spend the money for tracking it you can make it a great car for that purpose as well. Plenty of examples, especially in Japan.
You're saying you'd buy one if you wanted straight line speed but that has nothing to do with the car, it's the route most Supra owners take in the US hence the stereotype. Like I said and posted examples of it before, if you spend the money for tracking it you can make it a great car for that purpose as well. Plenty of examples, especially in Japan.
Finally someone gets it about supras. People generally take the straight line performance route because its dsmn easy to do with this car.
Its common sense. You revolve around the standing point of performance of the car. Like the fd. Not exactly super powerful but it is fast and very light so people use it for track.
If the main point of the supra was to go fast straight, people will continue from there. Because it's easy.
ANY car can be competitive on a track. And supra is no slouch. For its weight, it pulled similar numbers as the better, marginally better than the fd too. And that's impressive.
You can't argue toyota hit the jackpot with the 2jz. Its bulletproof. Perfect car to put the engine into. It was a touring car for the street and still can kick *** on the track.
04-08-11, 07:16 AM
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Yea, comparing a Gen II and III viper is apples to oranges. The Gen II GTS is a work of art(better looking than the fd even
). The Gen III Vipers still look good(especially the coupes) but dont have the "it" factor the Gen IIs have. However, the ergonomics of the Gen III are light years ahead of the Gen IIs.
The Gen II Viper GTS are one of the few sports cars I would ever own for a weekend warrior outside of the FD. Best looking car ever built under $100k in my opinion.
). The Gen III Vipers still look good(especially the coupes) but dont have the "it" factor the Gen IIs have. However, the ergonomics of the Gen III are light years ahead of the Gen IIs. The Gen II Viper GTS are one of the few sports cars I would ever own for a weekend warrior outside of the FD. Best looking car ever built under $100k in my opinion.
04-08-11, 08:41 AM
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To me the Viper is special, while the Supra is not. And, I'm not trying to bring up the Supra debate here, but I want to contrast the Viper with the Supra, because I think it shows how some cars are special and others not so much. The Viper makes a real statement. Crude, raw power in a voluptuous body that can be tamed to do all the athletic stuff.
Before getting the NSX, I really wanted a Viper GTS, but then realized the NSX was the better car to drive everyday and was less expensive.
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04-08-11, 08:57 AM
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My comment wasn't directed at you Supernaut but I've read what's been written and I don't see much being written other than yeah it's alright kind of comments and I am saying it's more than alright. I am also saying a Supra is just as good of a collectable if not better than a RX7. Djseven explained that part quite well I think.
You're saying you'd buy one if you wanted straight line speed but that has nothing to do with the car, it's the route most Supra owners take in the US hence the stereotype. Like I said and posted examples of it before, if you spend the money for tracking it you can make it a great car for that purpose as well. Plenty of examples, especially in Japan.
You're saying you'd buy one if you wanted straight line speed but that has nothing to do with the car, it's the route most Supra owners take in the US hence the stereotype. Like I said and posted examples of it before, if you spend the money for tracking it you can make it a great car for that purpose as well. Plenty of examples, especially in Japan.
I couldn't agree more.
04-08-11, 09:13 AM
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My comment wasn't directed at you Supernaut but I've read what's been written and I don't see much being written other than yeah it's alright kind of comments and I am saying it's more than alright. I am also saying a Supra is just as good of a collectable if not better than a RX7. Djseven explained that part quite well I think.
You're saying you'd buy one if you wanted straight line speed but that has nothing to do with the car, it's the route most Supra owners take in the US hence the stereotype. Like I said and posted examples of it before, if you spend the money for tracking it you can make it a great car for that purpose as well. Plenty of examples, especially in Japan.
You're saying you'd buy one if you wanted straight line speed but that has nothing to do with the car, it's the route most Supra owners take in the US hence the stereotype. Like I said and posted examples of it before, if you spend the money for tracking it you can make it a great car for that purpose as well. Plenty of examples, especially in Japan.
Again I used to think it was a cool looking car but not so much at this time which immediately tells me it's not going to be much of a player down the road in the classic show room.
Any car with enough invested is fast on any circuit.
The only reason the Supra won SOME of the magazine test is because the FD was handicapped with 225 50 16 tires. I don't know about you fellas but I'm never seen a car that weighs 2780 and up running on 225s begin to approach the .94 to .97 Gs that the FD pulled.
I have no idea what goes on in the real world outside of the states but here the supra hasn't done much. The FD dominated auto crosses for 10 years until the c5 came out, where was the supra?
04-08-11, 09:21 AM
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Yea, comparing a Gen II and III viper is apples to oranges. The Gen II GTS is a work of art(better looking than the fd even). The Gen III Vipers still look good(especially the coupes) but dont have the "it" factor the Gen IIs have. However, the ergonomics of the Gen III are light years ahead of the Gen IIs.
The Gen II Viper GTS are one of the few sports cars I would ever own for a weekend warrior outside of the FD. Best looking car ever built under $100k in my opinion.
). The Gen III Vipers still look good(especially the coupes) but dont have the "it" factor the Gen IIs have. However, the ergonomics of the Gen III are light years ahead of the Gen IIs. The Gen II Viper GTS are one of the few sports cars I would ever own for a weekend warrior outside of the FD. Best looking car ever built under $100k in my opinion.
Another car in complete contrast to the FD although in many ways it's similar. Years ago people would refer to the FD as the baby viper. It's as if someone took the best lines from the FD, blew them up cartoon style and then placed them side by side building block style.
I also agree that it's a very VERY cool car and one day I'd like to own one however I'll probably end up with a newer ACR version because it's a track beast
04-08-11, 09:40 AM
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04-08-11, 10:32 AM
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To me the Viper is special, while the Supra is not. And, I'm not trying to bring up the Supra debate here, but I want to contrast the Viper with the Supra, because I think it shows how some cars are special and others not so much. The Viper makes a real statement. Crude, raw power in a voluptuous body that can be tamed to do all the athletic stuff. In contrast the Supra comes off as some Toyota-made-Honda-Japanese-can-do-it-all sports car in comparison. Comfortable, reliable, conservative, fast, blah, blah, blah, if you get my drift.
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I have seen older Vipers and if you are talking about fit and finish, its par with new GT40's fit and finish. Yes, there are far more Mark IV Supras out there (like corvettes, sometimes hard to separate Z06s from), but GTE 6SP versions are in fact well put together car with one of the toughest drive train at that time (or even today's standard) and far less floating around. Yes, it doesn't look as nice as NSX, but as an enthusiast's point, Supra has far more potentials then NSX. That said, IF I was to replace an FD (if I have to for some godly reason) I would consider a Supra as potentials are there at reasonable value. But I would pick NSX as a daily, put some springs to lower it, get some nice wheels, just so I could get people turning their heads and telling me how nice the car is.... but we all know, as a car people, who gives a sh*t what normal Joes tell us. I rather have select few FD owners telling me how well I put my car together vs. 1000 honda boys telling me how nice my car is... I put more weight these days into how modifiable the car is, value, rarity, and lastly looks as a car enthusiast/tinkerer.. But I guess if you are a 'car collector', all that doesn't matter and you just want to look at the cars in stock form.. in that case, you are getting the car as an piece of art work. You buy it, store it, and you don't touch it. Like buying a work from Picasso.. You don't buy a can of paint and try to add more color to it. You let it sit and admire until you are ready to sell it for 2x you paid for..
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04-08-11, 10:44 AM
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No doubt 
When you're running around a track for fun it's a all about how FUN a given car is to drive and that's what the FD and GT3 are all about.
However if you want to go fast, take home some wood and win some tires you are better off with American muscle or Japanese all wheel drive but the best of both worlds might just be the LSX FD.
When you're running around a track for fun it's a all about how FUN a given car is to drive and that's what the FD and GT3 are all about.
However if you want to go fast, take home some wood and win some tires you are better off with American muscle or Japanese all wheel drive but the best of both worlds might just be the LSX FD.
04-08-11, 11:31 AM
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Never driven one so I can't say anything objectively about that. But it does seem rather appealing.
My first FD died in a fire in 98 so I was itching for anything to replace it. The end result was that I got a chance to test drive quite a few contenders. Included in that pack was a twin turbo supra (I had no idea that the TT’s were so rare). The sales man just let me and my friend go by ourselves so I got the opportunity to really beat up on it. It was cool but it just felt too big, when we took hard corners you could really feel it. It wasn’t a good replacement so I didn’t get it.
From my experience I learned that the FD3S brings a perfect balance of what I like in a sports car. Great looking, light, nimble, sitting in the cockpit is just amazing, easy to make scary fast, easy to work on, and has a cult like following. It may not be the top dog in any particular category but it is the overall champion (IMO). So when I say I drive what I like, it is the plain truth.
04-08-11, 11:41 AM
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Great, more pics will soon follow to prove how awesome the interior is 
The reason I like the Noble is because it continues the FD "bred for the track" theme, and is even lighter (i.e. moving in the right direction)
The reason I like the Noble is because it continues the FD "bred for the track" theme, and is even lighter (i.e. moving in the right direction)
04-08-11, 12:20 PM
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To me, that is not enough. There has to be something about the car that makes it unique and special to be a collectable. Its so funny how off topic we are haha. This is a great discussion. The Supra could be better in every way to the FD but in the end, to me it is just a great performer while an FD is unique.
To you and Gmonsen FD may be unique and Supra not but if we are talking facts like sales figures, media attention, amount of participation in motorsport events at any level you'll see that RX7, Supra, NSX and GTR are all in the same boat.
Think about it, they were all released around the same time, they were all made by Japanese manufacturers to show their max potential to the world and all made an atomic bomb impact and gained fans instantly all around the world. They all stood the test of time so far. We all love the RX7 more and RX7 is lighter and more fun stock for stock but let's not kid ourselves, it's not anymore special than the other 3.
Let me make my point more clear, a RX7 is more unique and special to us but in reality it isn't any special than a NSX, Supra or a GTR, they all made automotive history one way or another.
If you were on a different forum, a muscle car forum perhaps where weight and power go hand in hand you may get some cheers but MOST of the members here like the FD because it's the exact opposite of the supra so naturally you're not going see too many cheers for the Supra.
Again I used to think it was a cool looking car but not so much at this time which immediately tells me it's not going to be much of a player down the road in the classic show room.
Any car with enough invested is fast on any circuit.
The only reason the Supra won SOME of the magazine test is because the FD was handicapped with 225 50 16 tires. I don't know about you fellas but I'm never seen a car that weighs 2780 and up running on 225s begin to approach the .94 to .97 Gs that the FD pulled.
I have no idea what goes on in the real world outside of the states but here the supra hasn't done much. The FD dominated auto crosses for 10 years until the c5 came out, where was the supra?
Again I used to think it was a cool looking car but not so much at this time which immediately tells me it's not going to be much of a player down the road in the classic show room.
Any car with enough invested is fast on any circuit.
The only reason the Supra won SOME of the magazine test is because the FD was handicapped with 225 50 16 tires. I don't know about you fellas but I'm never seen a car that weighs 2780 and up running on 225s begin to approach the .94 to .97 Gs that the FD pulled.
I have no idea what goes on in the real world outside of the states but here the supra hasn't done much. The FD dominated auto crosses for 10 years until the c5 came out, where was the supra?
04-08-11, 01:09 PM
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BMW's....blah....They're like a whole different class of vehicle.....performance 4-door sedan.
Booooo....hisssssss..
A little more performance...some vents in the fenders, and all of a sudden the car costs twice as much.
Everyone and their freaking dog has a BMW 3-series out here in San Diego. It's like the Honda Civic of this city.
But hey, lets not forget about your $450 annual oil changes too. FUN! -_-;;
I'll take my ~2,700lb alluminum death-trap that at least LOOKS like a sports car should.
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Booooo....hisssssss..
A little more performance...some vents in the fenders, and all of a sudden the car costs twice as much.
Everyone and their freaking dog has a BMW 3-series out here in San Diego. It's like the Honda Civic of this city.
But hey, lets not forget about your $450 annual oil changes too. FUN! -_-;;
I'll take my ~2,700lb alluminum death-trap that at least LOOKS like a sports car should.
lol
i love my 20B fd, it handles like a go-kart and it has plenty of power to out run bikes not to mention it looks sexy *** hell.
. but the few cars that i would trade it for are: a supercharged z06 or TT, Zr1, porsche GT3 RS, HKS R35 GTR. let's face it it our cars are about to be 20 years old and their is nothing like the feeling and smell of a new car.
Imo the sound of a car is also important, that's another reason why I've always liked straight 6 engines. I don't remember hearing one that I didn't like. From M3 to Supra to GTR they all sound great and super smooth. The E60 M5 is not an inline 6 but it is still in my potential future purchases list mainly because I've been in the forced induction game too long and I miss NA cars and also because that V10 sounds just awesome.
E60 M5 is one of the few cars in the world that is suitable and ready for every occasion whether it be a black tie event, a trackday, a family trip etc......
E60 M5 is one of the few cars in the world that is suitable and ready for every occasion whether it be a black tie event, a trackday, a family trip etc......
04-08-11, 01:09 PM
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I am late to the thread but if I sold the FD tomorrow and the money had to go to another car, It would be a '99 Miata with a Flying Miata turbo kit. Any extra would go to a set of 275/35/15 Hoosier A6s mounted on 15x10s and suspension bits.
Some other more expensive choices:
Turbo Porsche Cayman
STI (it does stink leaving the fd put away for several months a year due to snow)
My FD has been in storage for 3 years due to birth of kids but I just cannot pull the trigger on getting more serious about selling it. In my mind it is just that much better than any newer car I could buy down the road several years.
Some other more expensive choices:
Turbo Porsche Cayman
STI (it does stink leaving the fd put away for several months a year due to snow)
My FD has been in storage for 3 years due to birth of kids but I just cannot pull the trigger on getting more serious about selling it. In my mind it is just that much better than any newer car I could buy down the road several years.
04-08-11, 01:13 PM
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I am not trying to convince anyone to like Supra, I am trying to convince people not to deny it. It's like saying we all like blonds here in this forum so we think Claudia Schiffer is a supermodel but Cindy Crawford isn't. I am saying I also like blonds but whether you find her attractive or not Cindy Crawford is/was also a supermodel.
piston or rotary
Big traditional GT chassis on 4 wheels w/ a big fat *** or small inventive ground breaking chassis over 4 wheels w/ a little tight *** hehe.
Big spacious interior with arcade like gauges or small interior that wraps around the driver with purposeful minimalist gauges
I'd find it extremely hard for either a true Supra lover to choose an FD or for a true FD lover to choose the Supra. The cars are NIGHT AND DAY, man or woman it's not a blonde or a Brunette choice which is why like Gordon all I can do is politely say "yep the supra is OK".
04-08-11, 01:27 PM
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piston or rotary
Big traditional GT chassis on 4 wheels w/ a big fat *** or small inventive ground breaking chassis over 4 wheels w/ a little tight *** hehe.
Big spacious interior with arcade like gauges or small interior that wraps around the driver with purposeful minimalist gauges
I'd find it extremely hard for either a true Supra lover to choose an FD or for a true FD lover to choose the Supra. The cars are NIGHT AND DAY, man or woman it's not a blonde or a Brunette choice which is why like Gordon all I can do is politely say "yep the supra is OK".
piston or rotary
Big traditional GT chassis on 4 wheels w/ a big fat *** or small inventive ground breaking chassis over 4 wheels w/ a little tight *** hehe.
Big spacious interior with arcade like gauges or small interior that wraps around the driver with purposeful minimalist gauges
I'd find it extremely hard for either a true Supra lover to choose an FD or for a true FD lover to choose the Supra. The cars are NIGHT AND DAY, man or woman it's not a blonde or a Brunette choice which is why like Gordon all I can do is politely say "yep the supra is OK".
I'm jealous of your GT 3 RS.. i want one!
