I think he's simply pointing out all the weaknesses we've already addressed for years:

The body is a soft as butter or doesn't take a hit
The interior is the same
The engine can be unpredictable unless you really set it up well (time and money)
The trans is fragile
The sequential system is always a PIA (can be sorted but again time and money)
It can't be run hard without investing 10k in cooling, big brakes etc... LOL
blah blah blah blah

VS say GT3 at 80k. I'm buying the GT3 because it seriously has no weakness other than expensive to put shoes on it. That said the FD and the GT3 are the only two cars I'm interested in LOL

From a collector stand point non of those weaknesses really matter it's just all about going to shows with a cool car which is why the values will just keep on moving up.

 

When do you think we will see peak prices for rx7? 2 years?
It looks like the tops have been reached with the supra and nsx for now. Haven't seen them go any higher, just kind of sideways.

 

I'd like to buy a Cayman with a blown engine and put in a GT3 engine. I've only driven the 996 GT3, but have seen and heard the newer ones. Probably my favorite current motor, though I like the Mustang Coyote almost as much. Any v8's that run to over 8,000 rpm make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. The last 911 I had was a 94 turbo and it was still a little scary in big turns with big power. I had a lot of trouble giving it more gas.

It's hard to say. I think every collectible car tends to have a slightly different profile of price increases versus time.

 

Fritz, why are you going for a 996... so ugly . 997 or bust

 

Ugly headlights are about the only thing you can fault the 996 gt3 for.

 

I've sat in both a 996 gt3 and a 997 gt3, I can't speak for the driving performance, but 997 is nicer in all other categories by far.

 

I think they look pretty good but not as attractive as the 997. I already have a 2010 997.

996 values are moving up rapidly for good reason. They are super cool cars. Built like tanks inside and out and bullet proof engines, trans etc....

Well I take back the no weakness statement Only one big weakness is the diff which a good driver will break in one weekend (it's that bad LOL). Swap with a Guard LSD and you are good to go.

 

The 996 model had an incredibly cheap looking and feeling interior, although I'm not sure Fritz cares much about that.

 

Thought the Haggerty pricing index might be an interesting addition to this thread.

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuati...7?yearRange=15

 

YEP, compared to audis, bmws etc... the 996 and all the porsches preceding it had cheap interiors. Porsche has upped there interior game considerably and the 997, 991 definitely reflect that. That said the porsche interiors are much better than mazda, ford, chevy etc... I also love the way porsche still hasn't changed their keep it simple interior overall approach to their 911.

The FD can only be compared to the porsche 911 or cayman by the way it drives which for the money is one incredible accomplishment. I'll take a mildly modded (all the bolt ons) FD over the current cayman. GT4 well you'll need a heavily modded FD (single turbo etc...). GT3 it's a wash....LOL Again I'm talking driving experience here. Overall the GT3 crushes the FD and it should.

 

GT4 isnt a bad choice either! My substitute for the FD.

 

I really love your garage! Never driven the Quattro. But the Aztec/Colorado 2002, GT4, and FD are fabulous cars! I bought two 2002's new and 2 more used. Still incredibly fun and useable cars. I'm so impressed by your choices. (I will add a 2002 again soon. )

 

You are correct, I would not buy a FD for $35k unless I planned to park it and sell for a profit later. Above the $20k price point I personally can't justify the car, though I have more than $20k in my white car I am keeping but that is a different situation. There are simply too many better options in my opinion in the $30-50k range if you plan to drive and enjoy the car. Just my opinion, I love these cars but I am realistic about how far technology and comfort has come in 25 years.

 

 

Whats the boxy looking gun-metal car on the left? It looks cool as.

 

Thanks! That's a 1985 Audi Quattro. The Original Quattro that put Audi on the map. Somewhat of a cult classic. US doesn't have as big of a following as other European countries, but its the first car that showed the world what a turbo AWD car can do in in rally.

Thanks! Yes fun and usable def a perfect way to describe the 2002. Can't argue that you've got great taste in cars as well!

 

^ I thought it might be something like that. Must be worth a pretty penny. Very significant car. Not too many of those around. Must sound sweet with that 5 cyl. Is it nice to drive? or is it a bit of a pig with the massive front weight bias and crude awd system?

 

I don't like any of the modern cars. Zero feel. But I'm also a strange bird......LOL Seriously there is no car I enjoy driving around town more than an FD with bolt ons. Even the older caymans feel heavy and numb. The exige is too much feel........LOL

The FD just has the it factor for me or fits all my needs perfectly.

I've never really been a fan of porsche interiors either. Those plaid seats the p car aficionados love seriously make me laugh: https://www.google.com/search?q=plaid+seats+porsche&tbm=isch&source=iu&ic tx=1&fir=eilhKrfZ7QJA2M%253A%252C0_b3X8yj3I01hM%25 2C_&usg=__mvp-YDXgbH0LU2HcnIG0uW28EvU%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6oeyow ZXcAhUQvFkKHWCPAtIQ9QEIMTAD#imgrc=eilhKrfZ7QJA2M:

That said the 997 and beyond interiors are quite good.

The Mezger engine is basically a porsche racing engine (built to last 24 plus hours while being driven by the best) and only has one issue (leaky rms and sometimes the front seal also but that's very rare) and it's only found in the 996, 997 GT3, GT2 and 996/997 turbo cars. It's likely one of or the best 6 cylinder engines ever made.

I'm not a cars and coffee guy. I'm a track guy and the GT3 is made to be driven on the track and no where else.

Any car running stupid fast lap times is expensive to take to a race track. The GT3 is fast right off the show room floor so you are paying a premium for a fast zero headaches car and when you get old and tired of wrenching it's worth it LOL.

 

Aside from being hot in the car, the FD is fairly comfortable to me on ohlins. I actually get carsick in cars like Lexus or Mercedes, the floating feeling bothers me. I need to feel the bumps to be comfortable

 

hadokenny, LOVE your garage. I'm a sucker for the UrQuattro, amazing cars.

I sold my FD about a month ago. I miss it but did quite well on the price for what was a 115k nice driver condition car. I suspect given a few more years that the very enthusiastic and well informed seller will be able to turn a profit if desired. It was a fantastic car and I loved the experience, but now is not the right time in my life to own multiple toys. I also sold my 911SC, which was a close to irreplaceable car. Such is life....

I've had multiple 996s and 997s, while the 997 interior is more nicely styled I hesitate to call it higher quality. The 997 has soft touch plastic finish issues that can be annoying to remedy, good luck finding one that doesn't have gummy radio *****, chipped climate control buttons, and the plastic trim behind the seatbelt beat all to hell. The 996, especially the base interior, wears like iron. A big upgrade to the 996 interior is the full leather option, which covers the dash and door panels with leather. It does require more TLC to keep the leather from shrinking in the sun though. The carbon fiber trim and painted center console also do a nice job of adding some contrast to the typically drab German interior.

 

 

It will. I'll be surprised if it doesn't go over 40k. The FD thing is real!

This car is much nicer than the last one with 16k miles.

The VR/tan car was actually a decent deal when you compare it to the VR/black (8k is a lot of interior work) and at 1st glance to me it appeared to be the better overall car as well.

 

$43,750 (my prediction)

 

...and you would be wrong.

 

It's at $48,000 right now...