How to value your FD
03-29-17, 07:22 AM
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Right... Pretty sure the mazda bean counters have a bit more knowledge on the subject than one person who has no interest in being in their target market.
I agree with you fully that it would be wonderful if they offered a higher powered version, but calling them idiots is short sighted and isn't doing much of making yourself sound credible.
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Its quite clear mazda found the nearest thing to a perfect sports car formula from a numbers perspective. What do you think will happen to it's reputation if they put a rotary in it and the thing needs rebuilds every 80k? What percentage of buyers are going to opt for the more expensive rotary model vs the damage it does to the miata image of buyers who are now put off by the inevitable swarm of bad press the car will now get? A Huge selling point of the car is its simplicity and reliability. Cheap fun. Not everybody has the fun bar raised to GT3's and track prep'd FD's.
For discussions sake, how many cars ln the miata's class had been built over the years with more power and failed? Why do you think the miata is the only one that survived over the years? I'm not seeing the average buyer of new miata's chasing Mazda with pitchforks demanding more power, they seem quite content with the car's numbers based off sales numbers.
1st if mazda can't build an NA rotary in a 2200 pound car that can go over 100k miles they should stop building them (they likely have taken my advice LOL).
2nd don't call it a miata, put a hard top on it and call it an rx7, BUT, if you are going to continue to build the miata give it a little more power so the old platform is no longer competitive and also the car can attract a wider audience.
3rd the ND is a major fail: Mazda MX-5 Miata Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
4th the 1st gen sold 400000 if they want sales to get any where near that they need to change the ******* platform and give it more power.
5th mazda is loosing in the sports car market and they should be winning.
6th yes I'm emotional and angry because I love mazda and their sports car but they've been breaking my heart for 20 years.
Last edited by Fritz Flynn; 03-29-17 at 07:38 AM.
03-29-17, 10:22 AM
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What do you think will happen to it's reputation if they put a rotary in it and the thing needs rebuilds every 80k?
Are you aware that is exactly what happened with the RX-8?
The NC Miata is a shortened RX-8.
If making an overweight, compromised rear suspension Miata off the RX-8 didn't ruin the Miata reputation I don't see how making a lightweight RX off the Miata chassis will.
Except if everyone thinks it is what the Miata should have been all along and only buy the RX.
Are you aware that is exactly what happened with the RX-8?
The NC Miata is a shortened RX-8.
If making an overweight, compromised rear suspension Miata off the RX-8 didn't ruin the Miata reputation I don't see how making a lightweight RX off the Miata chassis will.
Except if everyone thinks it is what the Miata should have been all along and only buy the RX.
03-29-17, 12:39 PM
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Part of the problem here are demographics. Coupes and 2 seaters just aren't selling well. For example, the current generation Mustang is doing better than the last, but isn't selling like they were in the late 90s. And nothing is selling like the late 70s and early 80s, when sporty cars and "personal luxury coupes" were a much bigger segment. I don't think any car like this is putting up 1st gen rx7 numbers.
Older baby boomers aren't buying sports cars anymore because they have trouble getting in and out of them. Younger baby boomers, if they are in the market, are getting 6 or 4 cylinder turbo pony cars if they don't go with a German make.
Underpowered coupes have run their course as a high volume product.
Anything Mazda comes out with needs to accelerate at least as well as the FD did, which was top of the heap at the time but is now not competitive with a V8 Mustang.
Older baby boomers aren't buying sports cars anymore because they have trouble getting in and out of them. Younger baby boomers, if they are in the market, are getting 6 or 4 cylinder turbo pony cars if they don't go with a German make.
Underpowered coupes have run their course as a high volume product.
Anything Mazda comes out with needs to accelerate at least as well as the FD did, which was top of the heap at the time but is now not competitive with a V8 Mustang.
03-29-17, 09:15 PM
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I think the CYM is a consignment rather than dealer stock or direct sale by owner. The consignments have had the highest asking prices. The dealer wants its fee and can afford to wait because the car isn't on their books. Why not ask 35 and wait to see what shows up?
03-29-17, 11:55 PM
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450,000,000 at Play
There are lots of three car garage types in Vancouver now. Recent article said there are 3000 cars valued at $150,000 or more on the registration books. That's $450,000,000 of investment in high end cars. Doesn't take much for a few of these folk to pop across the border and snap that CYM up. Be aware!
03-30-17, 09:52 AM
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A nice example of a CYM in seattle. 26,000 Miles Approx. Asking $35000
https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/6064483079.html
https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/6064483079.html
As long as there are cars like that then cars like this won't sell for even 25k: http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=RX7
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03-30-17, 12:11 PM
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It would be lovely to see prices start to climb for this chassis. However I dont think it will ever be a supra in that regard.
I agree with that prediction.
I think the Supra will continue to command a higher price but not necessarily because of its slightly lower production numbers (11,239 MKIV Supra imported to USA versus 13,879 FDs and 45,230 MKIV worldwide versus 69,301 FDs).
I think the Supra appeals more the American market and its muscle car mentality.
Supra's durable and capable boat anchor of an engine has made it quite capable in straight line competitions.
Less Americans care about learning to drive or vehicle handling which is the FD RX-7s forte. Those that watch Japanese Time Attack competitions or Touge Challenges know the Supra is a joke and the FD is still dicing it up with the R35 GTR.
Nobuteru Taniguchi (presenter and championship racer) would occasionally bring out his personal Ridox/HKS Supra to Time Attack or Touge competitions, but it was slapped down by everything. Its like trying to tune/race a 20B JC Cosmo... not going to cut it on anything but Wangan or 0-400M.
When they had to race with stock uncut unibody in JGTC the Supra competed with a race only 4 cylinder engine to improve the handling.
My point?
The 289 Cobra dominated USRRC racing losing 1 race in 3 years. The 427 Cobra was a flop in FIA GT racing and early on nicknamed "the turd", yet Americans obsess on the 427 Cobras...
We are talking about the American market.
It would be lovely to see prices start to climb for this chassis. However I dont think it will ever be a supra in that regard.
I agree with that prediction.
I think the Supra will continue to command a higher price but not necessarily because of its slightly lower production numbers (11,239 MKIV Supra imported to USA versus 13,879 FDs and 45,230 MKIV worldwide versus 69,301 FDs).
I think the Supra appeals more the American market and its muscle car mentality.
Supra's durable and capable boat anchor of an engine has made it quite capable in straight line competitions.
Less Americans care about learning to drive or vehicle handling which is the FD RX-7s forte. Those that watch Japanese Time Attack competitions or Touge Challenges know the Supra is a joke and the FD is still dicing it up with the R35 GTR.
Nobuteru Taniguchi (presenter and championship racer) would occasionally bring out his personal Ridox/HKS Supra to Time Attack or Touge competitions, but it was slapped down by everything. Its like trying to tune/race a 20B JC Cosmo... not going to cut it on anything but Wangan or 0-400M.
When they had to race with stock uncut unibody in JGTC the Supra competed with a race only 4 cylinder engine to improve the handling.
My point?
The 289 Cobra dominated USRRC racing losing 1 race in 3 years. The 427 Cobra was a flop in FIA GT racing and early on nicknamed "the turd", yet Americans obsess on the 427 Cobras...
We are talking about the American market.
03-30-17, 01:29 PM
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It would be lovely to see prices start to climb for this chassis. However I dont think it will ever be a supra in that regard.
I agree with that prediction.
I think the Supra will continue to command a higher price but not necessarily because of its slightly lower production numbers (11,239 MKIV Supra imported to USA versus 13,879 FDs and 45,230 MKIV worldwide versus 69,301 FDs).
I think the Supra appeals more the American market and its muscle car mentality.
Supra's durable and capable boat anchor of an engine has made it quite capable in straight line competitions.
Less Americans care about learning to drive or vehicle handling which is the FD RX-7s forte. Those that watch Japanese Time Attack competitions or Touge Challenges know the Supra is a joke and the FD is still dicing it up with the R35 GTR.
Nobuteru Taniguchi (presenter and championship racer) would occasionally bring out his personal Ridox/HKS Supra to Time Attack or Touge competitions, but it was slapped down by everything. Its like trying to tune/race a 20B JC Cosmo... not going to cut it on anything but Wangan or 0-400M.
When they had to race with stock uncut unibody in JGTC the Supra competed with a race only 4 cylinder engine to improve the handling.
My point?
The 289 Cobra dominated USRRC racing losing 1 race in 3 years. The 427 Cobra was a flop in FIA GT racing and early on nicknamed "the turd", yet Americans obsess on the 427 Cobras...
We are talking about the American market.
It would be lovely to see prices start to climb for this chassis. However I dont think it will ever be a supra in that regard.
I agree with that prediction.
I think the Supra will continue to command a higher price but not necessarily because of its slightly lower production numbers (11,239 MKIV Supra imported to USA versus 13,879 FDs and 45,230 MKIV worldwide versus 69,301 FDs).
I think the Supra appeals more the American market and its muscle car mentality.
Supra's durable and capable boat anchor of an engine has made it quite capable in straight line competitions.
Less Americans care about learning to drive or vehicle handling which is the FD RX-7s forte. Those that watch Japanese Time Attack competitions or Touge Challenges know the Supra is a joke and the FD is still dicing it up with the R35 GTR.
Nobuteru Taniguchi (presenter and championship racer) would occasionally bring out his personal Ridox/HKS Supra to Time Attack or Touge competitions, but it was slapped down by everything. Its like trying to tune/race a 20B JC Cosmo... not going to cut it on anything but Wangan or 0-400M.
When they had to race with stock uncut unibody in JGTC the Supra competed with a race only 4 cylinder engine to improve the handling.
My point?
The 289 Cobra dominated USRRC racing losing 1 race in 3 years. The 427 Cobra was a flop in FIA GT racing and early on nicknamed "the turd", yet Americans obsess on the 427 Cobras...
We are talking about the American market.
More and more people/car enthusiast are going to the track than ever before.
The 911 isn't valuable because it's fast in a straight line.
The e30 M3 isn't valuable.......etc...
It's a BOLD statement but the FD is in the same class as the 993 911 and the e30 m3. It's gorgeous, handles well, fun to drive, cool engine, etc....
IOW it has the potential to be a long shot winner or in other words the pedigree isn't great but the car is
03-30-17, 03:24 PM
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As the supply dries up we will see the price for nice low mileage FDs going into the 50s for this car in great shape.
03-30-17, 03:27 PM
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are more cars which have been modded, gutted, etc. than there are low mile, stock, unmolested cars. As the years pass, the ratio will become even more skewed. In addition, as more and more parts become NLA from Mazda, I feel there will be more of a draw to complete, clean cars, low miles or not.
03-30-17, 04:15 PM
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This will be a great example of what the current market is like for a super clean, BIG time salesman listed FD. One of the most hyped ads I've yet seen for one of these cars. Seller gets an A+ for effort 
1993 Mazda RX-7 Base Coupe 2-Door | eBay
I don't think it will go higher than 22k at this time on ebay.
If the bids go higher than 22k I'm going to completely change my approach to selling my MB touring with 31k miles. I'm going to switch gears and go all out dealer mode
PS The listing is by, and I quote "mr-amazing-deals". Totally awesome ebay name LOL
1993 Mazda RX-7 Base Coupe 2-Door | eBay
I don't think it will go higher than 22k at this time on ebay.
If the bids go higher than 22k I'm going to completely change my approach to selling my MB touring with 31k miles. I'm going to switch gears and go all out dealer mode
PS The listing is by, and I quote "mr-amazing-deals". Totally awesome ebay name LOL
Last edited by Fritz Flynn; 03-30-17 at 05:09 PM.
03-30-17, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BLUE TII View Post
The people with collectible P car money can squabble over the few RX-7 SPs out there.
That is a different market...
Trust me, 35k for a 25 year old mazda sports car is collector p car money LOL.
As the supply dries up we will see the price for nice low mileage FDs going into the 50s for this car in great shape.
I just typed in Porsche 930 on ebay and there is a nice 16k mile one for $200k and a one with 60k miles for $100k.
Yes, people collect baseball cards and sticks of bubblegum, but when I say collectible Porsche I mean the desirable ones.
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Originally Posted by BLUE TII View Post
The people with collectible P car money can squabble over the few RX-7 SPs out there.
That is a different market...
Trust me, 35k for a 25 year old mazda sports car is collector p car money LOL.
As the supply dries up we will see the price for nice low mileage FDs going into the 50s for this car in great shape.
I just typed in Porsche 930 on ebay and there is a nice 16k mile one for $200k and a one with 60k miles for $100k.
Yes, people collect baseball cards and sticks of bubblegum, but when I say collectible Porsche I mean the desirable ones.
03-30-17, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BLUE TII View Post
The people with collectible P car money can squabble over the few RX-7 SPs out there.
That is a different market...
Trust me, 35k for a 25 year old mazda sports car is collector p car money LOL.
As the supply dries up we will see the price for nice low mileage FDs going into the 50s for this car in great shape.
I just typed in Porsche 930 on ebay and there is a nice 16k mile one for $200k and a one with 60k miles for $100k.
Yes, people collect baseball cards and sticks of bubblegum, but when I say collectible Porsche I mean the desirable ones.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUE TII View Post
The people with collectible P car money can squabble over the few RX-7 SPs out there.
That is a different market...
Trust me, 35k for a 25 year old mazda sports car is collector p car money LOL.
As the supply dries up we will see the price for nice low mileage FDs going into the 50s for this car in great shape.
I just typed in Porsche 930 on ebay and there is a nice 16k mile one for $200k and a one with 60k miles for $100k.
Yes, people collect baseball cards and sticks of bubblegum, but when I say collectible Porsche I mean the desirable ones.
I just meant that anyone who is paying 35k or more for an FD probably has Porsche money. Or 80k for a Supra etc.... In other words spending a 100 or 200k won't have any effect what so ever on their daily life.
Last edited by Fritz Flynn; 03-30-17 at 04:34 PM.
03-30-17, 05:02 PM
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In regards to the Supra, I think you are referring to Manabu Orido, and the videos I've seen of him running his personal car were on courses that were effectively autocross-tight courses. On a bigger course, the Supra holds its own pretty well.
kidloco
It would be lovely to see prices start to climb for this chassis. However I dont think it will ever be a supra in that regard.
I agree with that prediction.
I think the Supra will continue to command a higher price but not necessarily because of its slightly lower production numbers (11,239 MKIV Supra imported to USA versus 13,879 FDs and 45,230 MKIV worldwide versus 69,301 FDs).
I think the Supra appeals more the American market and its muscle car mentality.
Supra's durable and capable boat anchor of an engine has made it quite capable in straight line competitions.
Less Americans care about learning to drive or vehicle handling which is the FD RX-7s forte. Those that watch Japanese Time Attack competitions or Touge Challenges know the Supra is a joke and the FD is still dicing it up with the R35 GTR.
Nobuteru Taniguchi (presenter and championship racer) would occasionally bring out his personal Ridox/HKS Supra to Time Attack or Touge competitions, but it was slapped down by everything. Its like trying to tune/race a 20B JC Cosmo... not going to cut it on anything but Wangan or 0-400M.
When they had to race with stock uncut unibody in JGTC the Supra competed with a race only 4 cylinder engine to improve the handling.
My point?
The 289 Cobra dominated USRRC racing losing 1 race in 3 years. The 427 Cobra was a flop in FIA GT racing and early on nicknamed "the turd", yet Americans obsess on the 427 Cobras...
We are talking about the American market.
It would be lovely to see prices start to climb for this chassis. However I dont think it will ever be a supra in that regard.
I agree with that prediction.
I think the Supra will continue to command a higher price but not necessarily because of its slightly lower production numbers (11,239 MKIV Supra imported to USA versus 13,879 FDs and 45,230 MKIV worldwide versus 69,301 FDs).
I think the Supra appeals more the American market and its muscle car mentality.
Supra's durable and capable boat anchor of an engine has made it quite capable in straight line competitions.
Less Americans care about learning to drive or vehicle handling which is the FD RX-7s forte. Those that watch Japanese Time Attack competitions or Touge Challenges know the Supra is a joke and the FD is still dicing it up with the R35 GTR.
Nobuteru Taniguchi (presenter and championship racer) would occasionally bring out his personal Ridox/HKS Supra to Time Attack or Touge competitions, but it was slapped down by everything. Its like trying to tune/race a 20B JC Cosmo... not going to cut it on anything but Wangan or 0-400M.
When they had to race with stock uncut unibody in JGTC the Supra competed with a race only 4 cylinder engine to improve the handling.
My point?
The 289 Cobra dominated USRRC racing losing 1 race in 3 years. The 427 Cobra was a flop in FIA GT racing and early on nicknamed "the turd", yet Americans obsess on the 427 Cobras...
We are talking about the American market.
03-30-17, 07:03 PM
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This will be a great example of what the current market is like for a super clean, BIG time salesman listed FD. One of the most hyped ads I've yet seen for one of these cars. Seller gets an A+ for effort
1993 Mazda RX-7 Base Coupe 2-Door | eBay
I don't think it will go higher than 22k at this time on ebay.
If the bids go higher than 22k I'm going to completely change my approach to selling my MB touring with 31k miles. I'm going to switch gears and go all out dealer mode
PS The listing is by, and I quote "mr-amazing-deals". Totally awesome ebay name LOL
1993 Mazda RX-7 Base Coupe 2-Door | eBay
I don't think it will go higher than 22k at this time on ebay.
If the bids go higher than 22k I'm going to completely change my approach to selling my MB touring with 31k miles. I'm going to switch gears and go all out dealer mode
PS The listing is by, and I quote "mr-amazing-deals". Totally awesome ebay name LOL
He has had more than one "unicorn" and has the same sales pitch for all of them. He is quite the hype man.
Also, that red one has been listed for at least six weeks now with no buyers.
03-30-17, 08:46 PM
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Aristo
In regards to the Supra, I think you are referring to Manabu Orido, and the videos I've seen of him running his personal car were on courses that were effectively autocross-tight courses. On a bigger course, the Supra holds its own pretty well.
Yes, Manabu Orido. I am ashamed I made that mistake.
03-31-17, 07:53 AM
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Funny thing about that guy....
He has had more than one "unicorn" and has the same sales pitch for all of them. He is quite the hype man. Also, that red one has been listed for at least six weeks now with no buyers.
He has had more than one "unicorn" and has the same sales pitch for all of them. He is quite the hype man.
Also, that red one has been listed for at least six weeks now with no buyers.That dude is a complete trip
