Anyone know how many FD's were originally sold IN Canada?
01-27-18, 08:49 AM
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Anyone know how many FD's were originally sold IN Canada?
Curious as to how many LHD FD RX-7's were imported for sale and/or sold INSIDE Canada - as Canadian spec cars..
Can't find much on the forum regarding these numbers specifically
Can't find much on the forum regarding these numbers specifically
02-10-18, 10:25 PM
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At least one. I bought a Canadian 93 in Vancouver and went through the import procedure to bring it to Washington state. While parked it got hit and totaled. TurboJeff rebuilt it and sold it in Oregon. I have not looked lately, but there was a good thread here on the site on the rebuild.
02-11-18, 12:41 AM
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I believe it is generally thought about 1800 cars came to Canada. The VIN were likely mixed in numerical order with USDM cars. Many Canadian VIN have a "2" where USDM have a "1". However in certain circumstance a 3 replaced the 1 or 2 in the VIN, so some of those might have been CDNDM.
02-11-18, 02:21 AM
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I believe it is generally thought about 1800 cars came to Canada. The VIN were likely mixed in numerical order with USDM cars. Many Canadian VIN have a "2" where USDM have a "1". However in certain circumstance a 3 replaced the 1 or 2 in the VIN, so some of those might have been CDNDM.
02-11-18, 08:06 AM
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I know there were about 13,500 brought to the US. I don't think I've ever seen Canadian numbers.
The Canadian spec cars did have some minor differences, they had standard daytime running as the big one. Also in the US CYM was only available in an R1 package, in Canada it was just a regular color.
Dale
The Canadian spec cars did have some minor differences, they had standard daytime running as the big one. Also in the US CYM was only available in an R1 package, in Canada it was just a regular color.
Dale
02-11-18, 10:24 AM
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Mazda Canada has or had a low mileage CYM in their historic collection. They featured it in one issue of their Zoom Zoom in-store magazine. Somewhere on here there is a list of cars imported to the US by year, type and colour. It is a copy of a fax (the "Mike Hahn" fax) that was received from Mazda North American Operations. It totals 13,879 cars over 1993 - 1995. It shows 350 RX7 R1 on the list for 1993 only.
It is unclear whether the list includes Canadian cars or not. However, it is possible that North American Operations was handling Canadian imports at that time.
I have seen one original condition CYM here in Vancouver. It had the original dealer badge on it (Wolfe). It may be the same as a CYM rumoured to be in a collection in the BC interior.
I recall that the Mike Hahn Fax was linked in the "references" list in the Wikipedia write-up on RX7s.
Canadian market cars also had headlight washers and a larger rear washer fluid tank to accommodate it.
It is unclear whether the list includes Canadian cars or not. However, it is possible that North American Operations was handling Canadian imports at that time.
I have seen one original condition CYM here in Vancouver. It had the original dealer badge on it (Wolfe). It may be the same as a CYM rumoured to be in a collection in the BC interior.
I recall that the Mike Hahn Fax was linked in the "references" list in the Wikipedia write-up on RX7s.
Canadian market cars also had headlight washers and a larger rear washer fluid tank to accommodate it.
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02-11-18, 12:06 PM
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Because of the Canadian equipment, perhaps the few CYM targeted for Canada could no also be R1?
The 1993 Sales brochure used in Canada clearly lists CYM as a colour option. Given there is a few examples still existing, it seems it was indeed available.
The Canadian brochure does not seem to distinguish an R1 model.
Canadian cars also have both KM and Miles on the speedometer.
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02-11-18, 12:26 PM
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US cars also have the dual speedometers - MPH on the outside, KPH on the inside ring.
I didn't think the Canadian cars had the big rear washer tank, I thought that was a Euro-only thing.
Dale
I didn't think the Canadian cars had the big rear washer tank, I thought that was a Euro-only thing.
Dale
02-11-18, 12:36 PM
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The 1994 USDM electrical troubleshooting manual (13800-10-93H)shows the larger tank for Canadian cars in section D3. I know at least one that has it and one that does not. But it could have been added later. The one that has it is a 94 manual with touring package. The 1993 that's does not is a manual base.
The sales brochure is likely very similar to the US brochure. It shows a speedo with the km on the outside ring. The brochure describes the cars basic equipment with the automatic and the touring package listed as options. The brochure makes no mention of the headlight washer or the daylight running lights.
The RHD production seems to have been done largely in order of the VIN. Different types of FD seem to run on the line in no particular order, so it seems the items that make up the different types were a kind of plug and play, the installation of which could vary from car to car on the production line.
It is likely then than CDNDM were run mixed in with USDM, and the odd CYM base unit could be configured with the Canadian equipment rather than receiving R1 equipment.
In that CDNDM would be rare, it would make CYM CDNDM even more rare. Whether this would allow for a higher residual value, who knows.
Certainly, some CDNDM equipment demands a premium, such as the larger washer bottle and the CDN specific instrument cluster.
The sales brochure is likely very similar to the US brochure. It shows a speedo with the km on the outside ring. The brochure describes the cars basic equipment with the automatic and the touring package listed as options. The brochure makes no mention of the headlight washer or the daylight running lights.
The RHD production seems to have been done largely in order of the VIN. Different types of FD seem to run on the line in no particular order, so it seems the items that make up the different types were a kind of plug and play, the installation of which could vary from car to car on the production line.
It is likely then than CDNDM were run mixed in with USDM, and the odd CYM base unit could be configured with the Canadian equipment rather than receiving R1 equipment.
In that CDNDM would be rare, it would make CYM CDNDM even more rare. Whether this would allow for a higher residual value, who knows.
Certainly, some CDNDM equipment demands a premium, such as the larger washer bottle and the CDN specific instrument cluster.
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02-18-18, 11:05 AM
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i've decided to re-launch the investigation into the 1995 FD's, as it will be quick (Mazda made about the same number of FD's in 1995 as they did for one day of FB production)
they made so few FD's that they seem to group by color, and not quite in vin number order. that is to say, for one day they might make 4 red cars, and the serial numbers will not necessarily be sequential. they might make vin 1,2, 5, and 8 on Tuesday, and they will all be red. on Thursday they might make 3,6 and 7 and they will be green.
with the 1985 Rx7's, they made so many this pattern does not show up.
i did do some reading about the Factory and there are two buildings, #1 and #2, and they both can make about 4-6 different models on the same line. they also can set up something like 3 different lines in the same building, so the 1985 Rx7 may have had its own line, but the 1995 FD probably did not. the FD would have shared the assembly line with Miata's, Proteges, and the like (the trucks and mpv's were made in Hofu)
as far as packages go, so far mostly PEP's....
they made so few FD's that they seem to group by color, and not quite in vin number order. that is to say, for one day they might make 4 red cars, and the serial numbers will not necessarily be sequential. they might make vin 1,2, 5, and 8 on Tuesday, and they will all be red. on Thursday they might make 3,6 and 7 and they will be green.
with the 1985 Rx7's, they made so many this pattern does not show up.
i did do some reading about the Factory and there are two buildings, #1 and #2, and they both can make about 4-6 different models on the same line. they also can set up something like 3 different lines in the same building, so the 1985 Rx7 may have had its own line, but the 1995 FD probably did not. the FD would have shared the assembly line with Miata's, Proteges, and the like (the trucks and mpv's were made in Hofu)
as far as packages go, so far mostly PEP's....
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05-29-18, 04:59 PM
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Still interested in the numbers of Canadian FD's sold and in which specs.
05-29-18, 05:48 PM
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Also remember that the EU models (made a total of 1152 if i remeber correct) also share a lot with the US and CDN versions. Its basically a mix of all options from touring and R1, and all black interior. No «packages» to pick. Also only in black, red, silver and blue color. With large washer and km/h speedo.
Im pretty sure they vame from the same line tho with a different VIN.
Im pretty sure they vame from the same line tho with a different VIN.
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