the annihilator

does anyone here have a wolf3D ECU? i am considering purchasing one. for those that have it where did you buy it and how easy/hard was it to install? also, do you suggest this ECU and what mods do you have on it?

razorback

one of the owner/admins (boostd 7)has one in his fc. so i guess if you want to know more about it pm him. but that is the only person that comes to mind currently. i am still trying to decide between wolf, e6k and microtech.

sub9lulu

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wolf 3d is not as popular as microtech and haltech
but i've heard its good

eViLRotor

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I'm running the Wolf3d v3.1.
Evil Aviator runs the Wolf as well (he's the EMS guru)

I like the Wolf a lot. Its advantage to me, is the hand controller, rather than the required laptop for the Haltech. Tuning is very straight forward. The PC software is great, and its very easy to move between the menus.

Its main disadvantage is the lack in-depth datalogging that the Haltech has. The 3.1 just has basic min-max datalogging. Still useful, but not that great.

My TII is fully modified (all unecessities removed, big turbo, FMIC etc etc). My only problem is a cold idle issue, which seems to have been resolved with the version 4.

I like the version 4 a lot. Too me its certainly superior to the MicroTech and equal to the Haltech E11.

the annihilator

how much did you spend on your version and how much would a version 4 cost?

eViLRotor

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I think mine was around $1500 (canadian). Not sure what the V4 costs in the US...

RETed

Does it run sequential/batch fuel injection?
What it's fuel injection resolution?
How many load points for fuel?
How many load points for ignition?
Are load points adjustable?
Is it able to use the stock ignition trigger system - CAS?
Is the boost sensor still on-board where you need to run a long hose into the interior of the car?
How many outputs do you have available after you configure it to run in 2-rotor engine mode?
How does it handle the split trailing ignition?&nbsp Does it still uses a set trailing split adjustable only from about 10 to 30 degrees?

Why is a laptop a hinderance?&nbsp You just mentioned the "PC software", which implies the Wolf can be connected to some kinda computer, but yet you imply the Haltech is inferior due to the use of the laptop/PC to tune.



-Ted

eViLRotor

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Find that **** out yourself, you have an internet connection...

I did not state, nor imply that I find the Wolf EMS version that I am using is superior to the Haltech EMS. I simply said that I (meaning me as a person) prefer the hand controller over the laptop method. That's it, that's all.

The Wolf does not need a PC for anything, but PC software is included, and can be used.

But yes, I do find the V4 better than the MicroTech. That is my opinion....if you are bored, please go pick a fight with someone else.

RETed

That's the ******* problem - there isn't info online.
Last time I looked, Wolf EMS did not have a web page, at least a web page that details application on a rotary engine.
Last time I checked, the US distro, Ron Forman?, got dropped.

If you're going to claim something, put some ******* facts in there to back it up and not just mouth off cause you like it better - this doesn't help ANY of us, except make an advertisement of your favorite product.



-Ted

Jaared

i thought i was going to learn something here... it turned into an argument..

1987RX7guy

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I just found this: http://www.ele.auckland.ac.nz/archiv...ar/wolf3d.html

1987RX7guy

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http://www.wolfems.com.au/home

RETed

Lesse...
They still got a single degree split that is not RPM nor load dependent.

They put bullshit statements like - do not fire both leading and trailing spark together as this causes flame front collisions - Mazda does it stock, and others have proved that 0 split makes good power.

It says there's a 3 rotor setting, but the instructions does not show you how to access it.

There have been some improvements made, but it's still not up to par with MoTeC/Haltech/Microtech...

Haltech - 3D mapping of trailing split
MoTeC - 3D mapping of trailing split
Microtech - 2D (versus RPMS) mapping of trailing split


-Ted

Evil Aviator

Just for clarification, I am not the EMS guru, I am the EMS forum moderator. There is a big difference in those titles.

Also, I am not currently running my car with the Wolf because the 20B car still needs some work, and the 1Gen must use a nasty carb due to racing rules. However, two of my friends are running their NA 13B on the Wolf with fantastic results. There is a 10AE in the garage next to my car that is getting a Wolf V4 installed along with lots of other mods, and one of my tuners is working on a custom-ported 13B NA that will be running a Wolf V4. I only know of one person who didn't like the Wolf (the old V3), so he went to the E6K and had the same gripes, lol.

In the last 3 years, none of my friends or I have bothered with the min/max datalogging, as there is no need for it because the live display gives all the info necessary for tuning. The oxy-logging looks bizarre at first, but you soon realize its advantage over streaming data.

Whichever you like on the primary leads. However, the secondaries are batch fire only.

Resolution is 0.003ms, which is slightly better than the 0.004ms of the E11.
The fuel and ignition mapping has 16 load bands and rpm bands every 125rpm from 0 to 16,000rpm (128 total). Compared to the E11, this means less load points, but more rpm points. In my opinion, the 32 rpm bands of the E11 are enough for most people, and the 16 load bands of the Wolf are enough for most people, and the injector resolution is about the same for both, so I would say that both are fine for any application. Both the E11 and Wolf have more than 10 times the injector resolution of the Microtech LT8 and LT12, so there is really no comparison here.

The best thing about the Wolf software is that it allows the user to re-scale the mapping, which allows it to run anything from a non-turbo engine to a 23psi boost engine WITHOUT changing out the MAP sensor. Of course, you can use an external MAP sensor if you so choose, but only high-boost applications need to bother with this because the stock MAP sensor works great even with NA engines. The user can also re-scale the map resolution so that there are less points to deal with, in response to the request from drag racers who like it to emulate simpler systems like the Microtech. Much like a Microsoft Excel speradsheet, the software stores the values in the highest resolution, and lets the user determine the resolution of the display. The hand controller automatically halves the number of rpm bands displayed to every 250rpm so that it doesn't take forever to make spot adjustments, where the computer software allows for finer tuning every 125rpm if the user wishes.

Yes, finally!!! Some of the first V4.0 computers didn't work with the FD ignition, but the newest software version resolved this problem. It has 2 input triggers that will work with reluctor, hall effect, or optical sensors. I guess this is to make the Electromotive Jihad shut up with their 60-2 rant, lol.

Yes. I don't know of anybody who has had trouble with the hose, and throttle response is fantastic. The Wolf can also use an external MAP sensor.

2 aux outputs/inputs (the "Plus" version has an additional 3 aux outputs)
1 boost control solenoid output
1 idle speed control output
1 thermo fan output
1 secondary injector output

The current version has trailing split vs. rpm at 125rpm intervals. It allows from 0.0 to 44.8 degrees BTDC. Only the "Plus" version has 3-rotor split capability.

Haltech - 3D mapping of trailing split
MoTeC - 3D mapping of trailing split
Microtech - 2D (versus RPMS) mapping of trailing split
Wolf - 2D (versus RPMS) mapping of trailing split

Yes, this is BS. I'm not sure if it is a mistake based on the old carbureted-rotary SAE papers, or simply a CYA policy. However, this has no effect on the product, and I can run 0 split if I want, so I don't worry about it.

You need to experience the hand controller to appreciate it. It is really nice to be able to make spot corrections on the road or track with the hand controller, and not have to cart an expensive and fragile laptop computer everywhere you go. If you have ever tried strapping a laptop to the passenger seat at the speedway you know what I mean. The passenger seat is for chicks, not laptops.

I haven't played with the new E11 software yet, but it looks to me like it will have the usual plus/minus vs. the Wolf, where personal preference is the determining factor. The E11 looks like it has more goodies and better datalogging, but the Wolf looks easier to use and sells for less. The E6 is far inferior to the E11 and Wolf3DV4, and the low price of the Microtech LT8 makes the E6 irrelevant in my opinion.

That's the old Version 3, which is no longer in production. If you can find one used for a good price, it works well on an NA 13B, although the cold idle control isn't very good and it requires about an hour's worth of work sawing teeth off the CAS.

Evil Aviator

I suggest an EMS that has local support. I am not aware of any bad EMS on the market, and they all do basically the same thing. Check with your local rotary-smart tuners and see what they know how to tune.

Checkpoint is the current US distributor. Pettit is also carrying them now, and Waynespeed has been selling them for a few years.
http://www.checkpointmotors.net/Prod...ail.asp?pID=13
http://www.pettitracing.com/
http://www.waynespeed.com/

There are some other US Wolf dealers listed, but I am not familiar with them, and don't know if they have experience with rotary engines.
http://www.wolfems.com.au/company/dealers/usa

RETed

Dunno where that came from, but it's actually 0.001ms.

Come on, 175 pages for the user manual?

It looks like a nice product, but the earlier v3.x versions still left a bad taste in my mouth.&nbsp When the Wold finally goes 3D on the ignition trailing, I'll give it a serious look...


-Ted

ditto

Talk to Chris from Checkpoint for info. shrugs...

RETed

I walked into Checkpoint one day a few years ago and stood around for 20 minutes.&nbsp They were more interested in their bikes than to talk to me.&nbsp I vowed never to go to them again.&nbsp And, yes, no one came out to talk to me the whole time - someone peeked out the door, but never bothered to help me.


-Ted

Evil Aviator

I got 0.004ms from The Hitman.
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=110160

I just looked up the official Haltech E11 Spec Sheet, and it states 6.4us, which is 0.0064ms unless my math is failing me.
http://www.haltech.com.au/Products/ECUs/E11/E11.pdf

So which is it, 0.001ms, 0.004ms, or 0.0064ms?

Maybe it's a difference between user-definable resolution and interpolated resolution? For example, the Wolf3DV4 user-definable resolution is only 0.01ms.

That's just the user guide. The installation manual is 69 pages, and the software guide is 65 pages. Remember, the Wolf has a hand controller and memory cartridges, unlike Haltech. I think that the hand controller takes up most of those pages in the user guide because of the screenshots. Likewise, most of the pages in the software guide are taken up with screenshots. I think this is a good thing. I think you would agree that the 154 page E11 manual is also enhanced by the various screenshots. The amount of pages isn't a problem if the table of contents is good.

I think you scared them off, lol. Hey, don't the Electromotive guys still run for cover whenever you are spotted?

I have had excellent support from Checkpoint. However, I always used the telephone so they wouldn't take one look at me and hide.

j9fd3s

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fyi. the e11 rpm points are adjustable, the stock setup is every 500rpms from 0-16,000 or something, but you can also choose 0-8500, and have points every 250rpms. or you can set your own.

also on the e11 you can configure all the sensors, so you can use any sensor you want.

it also runs the metering pump

its been hard, but the e11 is really nice it runs like stock

mike

RETed

Weird!&nbsp The E11V1 we're using states 0.001ms resolution in the manual and in adjustment when we're connected.

The jump to E11V2 might've caused the confusion.


-Ted

j9fd3s

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we noticed they added a couple of features, without telling anyone

mike

Evil Aviator

I swear the EMS industry changes overnight.

So what is the injector stepping when you enter values into the software?

Wolf did the same thing. For about a year the V4 was listed as having 0.004ms resolution, and then all of a sudden it is listed with 0.003ms resolution. I sent mine in for upgrade, and it came back with several new and improved features.