wolf3D ecu
does anyone here have a wolf3D ECU? i am considering purchasing one. for those that have it where did you buy it and how easy/hard was it to install? also, do you suggest this ECU and what mods do you have on it?
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one of the owner/admins (boostd 7)has one in his fc. so i guess if you want to know more about it pm him. but that is the only person that comes to mind currently. i am still trying to decide between wolf, e6k and microtech.
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wolf 3d is not as popular as microtech and haltech
but i've heard its good |
I'm running the Wolf3d v3.1.
Evil Aviator runs the Wolf as well (he's the EMS guru) I like the Wolf a lot. Its advantage to me, is the hand controller, rather than the required laptop for the Haltech. Tuning is very straight forward. The PC software is great, and its very easy to move between the menus. Its main disadvantage is the lack in-depth datalogging that the Haltech has. The 3.1 just has basic min-max datalogging. Still useful, but not that great. My TII is fully modified (all unecessities removed, big turbo, FMIC etc etc). My only problem is a cold idle issue, which seems to have been resolved with the version 4. I like the version 4 a lot. Too me its certainly superior to the MicroTech and equal to the Haltech E11. |
how much did you spend on your version and how much would a version 4 cost?
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I think mine was around $1500 (canadian). Not sure what the V4 costs in the US...
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Does it run sequential/batch fuel injection?
What it's fuel injection resolution? How many load points for fuel? How many load points for ignition? Are load points adjustable? Is it able to use the stock ignition trigger system - CAS? Is the boost sensor still on-board where you need to run a long hose into the interior of the car? How many outputs do you have available after you configure it to run in 2-rotor engine mode? How does it handle the split trailing ignition?  Does it still uses a set trailing split adjustable only from about 10 to 30 degrees? Why is a laptop a hinderance?  You just mentioned the "PC software", which implies the Wolf can be connected to some kinda computer, but yet you imply the Haltech is inferior due to the use of the laptop/PC to tune. -Ted |
Originally posted by RETed Does it run sequential/batch fuel injection? What it's fuel injection resolution? How many load points for fuel? How many load points for ignition? Are load points adjustable? Is it able to use the stock ignition trigger system - CAS? Is the boost sensor still on-board where you need to run a long hose into the interior of the car? How many outputs do you have available after you configure it to run in 2-rotor engine mode? How does it handle the split trailing ignition?  Does it still uses a set trailing split adjustable only from about 10 to 30 degrees? Why is a laptop a hinderance?  You just mentioned the "PC software", which implies the Wolf can be connected to some kinda computer, but yet you imply the Haltech is inferior due to the use of the laptop/PC to tune. -Ted I did not state, nor imply that I find the Wolf EMS version that I am using is superior to the Haltech EMS. I simply said that I (meaning me as a person) prefer the hand controller over the laptop method. That's it, that's all. The Wolf does not need a PC for anything, but PC software is included, and can be used. But yes, I do find the V4 better than the MicroTech. That is my opinion....if you are bored, please go pick a fight with someone else. |
That's the fucking problem - there isn't info online.
Last time I looked, Wolf EMS did not have a web page, at least a web page that details application on a rotary engine. Last time I checked, the US distro, Ron Forman?, got dropped. If you're going to claim something, put some fucking facts in there to back it up and not just mouth off cause you like it better - this doesn't help ANY of us, except make an advertisement of your favorite product. -Ted |
i thought i was going to learn something here... it turned into an argument..
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I just found this: http://www.ele.auckland.ac.nz/archiv...ar/wolf3d.html
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Lesse...
They still got a single degree split that is not RPM nor load dependent. They put bullshit statements like - do not fire both leading and trailing spark together as this causes flame front collisions - Mazda does it stock, and others have proved that 0 split makes good power. It says there's a 3 rotor setting, but the instructions does not show you how to access it. There have been some improvements made, but it's still not up to par with MoTeC/Haltech/Microtech... Haltech - 3D mapping of trailing split MoTeC - 3D mapping of trailing split Microtech - 2D (versus RPMS) mapping of trailing split -Ted |
Originally posted by eViLRotor Evil Aviator runs the Wolf as well (he's the EMS guru) Its main disadvantage is the lack in-depth datalogging that the Haltech has. The 3.1 just has basic min-max datalogging. Still useful, but not that great. Also, I am not currently running my car with the Wolf because the 20B car still needs some work, and the 1Gen must use a nasty carb due to racing rules. However, two of my friends are running their NA 13B on the Wolf with fantastic results. There is a 10AE in the garage next to my car that is getting a Wolf V4 installed along with lots of other mods, and one of my tuners is working on a custom-ported 13B NA that will be running a Wolf V4. I only know of one person who didn't like the Wolf (the old V3), so he went to the E6K and had the same gripes, lol. In the last 3 years, none of my friends or I have bothered with the min/max datalogging, as there is no need for it because the live display gives all the info necessary for tuning. The oxy-logging looks bizarre at first, but you soon realize its advantage over streaming data. Originally posted by RETed Does it run sequential/batch fuel injection? Originally posted by RETed What it's fuel injection resolution? How many load points for fuel? How many load points for ignition? Are load points adjustable? The fuel and ignition mapping has 16 load bands and rpm bands every 125rpm from 0 to 16,000rpm (128 total). Compared to the E11, this means less load points, but more rpm points. In my opinion, the 32 rpm bands of the E11 are enough for most people, and the 16 load bands of the Wolf are enough for most people, and the injector resolution is about the same for both, so I would say that both are fine for any application. Both the E11 and Wolf have more than 10 times the injector resolution of the Microtech LT8 and LT12, so there is really no comparison here. The best thing about the Wolf software is that it allows the user to re-scale the mapping, which allows it to run anything from a non-turbo engine to a 23psi boost engine WITHOUT changing out the MAP sensor. Of course, you can use an external MAP sensor if you so choose, but only high-boost applications need to bother with this because the stock MAP sensor works great even with NA engines. The user can also re-scale the map resolution so that there are less points to deal with, in response to the request from drag racers who like it to emulate simpler systems like the Microtech. Much like a Microsoft Excel speradsheet, the software stores the values in the highest resolution, and lets the user determine the resolution of the display. The hand controller automatically halves the number of rpm bands displayed to every 250rpm so that it doesn't take forever to make spot adjustments, where the computer software allows for finer tuning every 125rpm if the user wishes. Originally posted by RETed Is it able to use the stock ignition trigger system - CAS? Originally posted by RETed Is the boost sensor still on-board where you need to run a long hose into the interior of the car? Originally posted by RETed How many outputs do you have available after you configure it to run in 2-rotor engine mode? 1 boost control solenoid output 1 idle speed control output 1 thermo fan output 1 secondary injector output Originally posted by RETed How does it handle the split trailing ignition? Does it still uses a set trailing split adjustable only from about 10 to 30 degrees? Haltech - 3D mapping of trailing split MoTeC - 3D mapping of trailing split Microtech - 2D (versus RPMS) mapping of trailing split Wolf - 2D (versus RPMS) mapping of trailing split Originally posted by RETed They put bullshit statements like - do not fire both leading and trailing spark together as this causes flame front collisions Originally posted by RETed Why is a laptop a hinderance? You just mentioned the "PC software", which implies the Wolf can be connected to some kinda computer, but yet you imply the Haltech is inferior due to the use of the laptop/PC to tune. Originally posted by eViLRotor I did not state, nor imply that I find the Wolf EMS version that I am using is superior to the Haltech EMS. I simply said that I (meaning me as a person) prefer the hand controller over the laptop method. That's it, that's all. But yes, I do find the V4 better than the MicroTech. That is my opinion....if you are bored, please go pick a fight with someone else. Originally posted by 1987RX7guy I just found this: http://www.ele.auckland.ac.nz/archiv...ar/wolf3d.html |
Re: wolf3D ecu
Originally posted by the annihilator for those that have it where did you buy it and how easy/hard was it to install? also, do you suggest this ECU and what mods do you have on it? Checkpoint is the current US distributor. Pettit is also carrying them now, and Waynespeed has been selling them for a few years. http://www.checkpointmotors.net/Prod...ail.asp?pID=13 http://www.pettitracing.com/ http://www.waynespeed.com/ There are some other US Wolf dealers listed, but I am not familiar with them, and don't know if they have experience with rotary engines. http://www.wolfems.com.au/company/dealers/usa |
Originally posted by Evil Aviator Resolution is 0.003ms, which is slightly better than the 0.004ms of the E11. :) Come on, 175 pages for the user manual? :eek: It looks like a nice product, but the earlier v3.x versions still left a bad taste in my mouth.  When the Wold finally goes 3D on the ignition trailing, I'll give it a serious look... -Ted |
Talk to Chris from Checkpoint for info. shrugs...
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I walked into Checkpoint one day a few years ago and stood around for 20 minutes.  They were more interested in their bikes than to talk to me.  I vowed never to go to them again.  And, yes, no one came out to talk to me the whole time - someone peeked out the door, but never bothered to help me.
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Originally posted by RETed Dunno where that came from, but it's actually 0.001ms. https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=110160 I just looked up the official Haltech E11 Spec Sheet, and it states 6.4us, which is 0.0064ms unless my math is failing me. http://www.haltech.com.au/Products/ECUs/E11/E11.pdf So which is it, 0.001ms, 0.004ms, or 0.0064ms? Maybe it's a difference between user-definable resolution and interpolated resolution? For example, the Wolf3DV4 user-definable resolution is only 0.01ms. Originally posted by RETed Come on, 175 pages for the user manual? Originally posted by RETed I walked into Checkpoint one day a few years ago and stood around for 20 minutes. They were more interested in their bikes than to talk to me. I vowed never to go to them again. And, yes, no one came out to talk to me the whole time - someone peeked out the door, but never bothered to help me. I have had excellent support from Checkpoint. However, I always used the telephone so they wouldn't take one look at me and hide. :rock: |
fyi. the e11 rpm points are adjustable, the stock setup is every 500rpms from 0-16,000 or something, but you can also choose 0-8500, and have points every 250rpms. or you can set your own.
also on the e11 you can configure all the sensors, so you can use any sensor you want. it also runs the metering pump its been hard, but the e11 is really nice it runs like stock mike |
Weird!  The E11V1 we're using states 0.001ms resolution in the manual and in adjustment when we're connected. :eek:
The jump to E11V2 might've caused the confusion. -Ted |
we noticed they added a couple of features, without telling anyone
mike |
Originally posted by RETed Weird!  The E11V1 we're using states 0.001ms resolution in the manual and in adjustment when we're connected. :eek: The jump to E11V2 might've caused the confusion. So what is the injector stepping when you enter values into the software? Originally posted by j9fd3s we noticed they added a couple of features, without telling anyone mike |
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