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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 01:55 AM
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Do you have to use a camber adjustment kit? I really want to lower my car...well after the tranny fixing, and the debts clear Do you need a camber adjustment kit? or is that just something to keep your tire wear to a minimal...Cause i am getting some expensive tires. Dont wanna pay to much, if you know what i mean

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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 02:06 AM
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Anything over 1.5 inch drop will thow the camber all kinds of crazy. I saw a pic just today of a slammed FC with no camber adjustment plates. It looked like it had like 4 degrees of camber!!!!! Anything less than 1.5 inches, and you should be fine...
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 02:29 AM
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that's how much i want to lower it but thats just suspension lowering right? WIth low pros i didn't need any sort of that. Actually no, i want to SLAM it, how much are camber adjustment kits? I saw one for 108.35 at racing beat...Tell me some more about this. ALl in all i think i want about 3 inches of lowering. I like a real low car screw the speed bumps, i can figure out a way to move around that

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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 02:32 AM
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Nah. Should be fine. How you gonna lower it? Springs? Coilovers?
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 02:37 AM
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well, coilovers are like 400, and i just want the car dropped. Springs, check it out, i edited my last post. Can i see the picture of the FC? hyptonz7 had a slammed one.
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by DC350
Actually no, i want to SLAM it... All in all i think i want about 3 inches of lowering. I like a real low car screw the speed bumps, i can figure out a way to move around that
Obviously you have no interest in a car that grips and handles. A 3" lowering will turn your car into a ricemobile that will handle worse than a truck. An RX-7 is a low car, it doesn'e need to go more than 1" down to improve handling. Any more will only make it worse. But if all you want is looks...
BTW, you WILL be replacing rear tires every six months.
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 12:33 PM
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Well, i think lowering looks really good. Makes a car or a truck, i really want the grip and handle. So if i lower it 1.75 with shocks and the little strut tower bar pieces from racing beat. And the same in the back, if i get low profile tires. I think it will be low enough with still good handling! ...or am i wrong
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 12:45 PM
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I cut my springs just 1". So far camber & handling are still stock. The next step is 205/50/15's on the stock rims at 23PSI. Yes, Im a cheapskate.
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 12:48 PM
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The front lowering kit front RB only lowers the front and it only lowers it by about 1/4 of an inch. I got them just to save some suspension travel sice they do not effect it. You must use coil-overs to get that kind of drop but like others said you will now have a poor handling car. You will also need to roll the front fenders due to the tire hitting them on bumps. The rear camber can be fixed with a camber adjust rod. I got mine from mazdatrix for like $100 and it lets you take out a good bit of negative camber. Just drop it 1.5, that will put the tops of the tires about 1 inch front the fender lip and look mean enough.
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 01:07 PM
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Ok, a 3" drop is a LOT. It will be very hard to have a well handling car at that height. It will take a VERY expensive suspension set up to make a good handling car at that height ($8k-ish). DO NOT CUT YOUR SPRINGS. It is the worst thing you can do to lower your car. Get some Suspension Techniques or Ground Control springs, and some good shocks. A 1.5" drop is more than it seems....Check out www.shox.com for cheap stuff.
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 01:31 PM
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So can you drop your Fc 1" with Struts and springs and still have reasonable camber etc? what i am trying to say is can i drop my car without puting correction plates on and still handle ok?
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 02:10 PM
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Here is an observation

My friend and I both have a S5 NA with new KYB AGX shocks. Only difference is that he runs ST springs and I run Eibach. His car is a little lower than mine. His camber seems to be really far in, when he did a burn out. His whole inner side is gone. He hasn't gone through the alignment shop yet, so I dont know if that is causing hte camber problem. But as far as I can tell, even ST require camber kits. Eibachs dont
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 03:14 PM
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Even with the stock camber setup, the rear tire pressure is a big deal. You have to use low enough pressure to let the inside sidewall to flex to give a flat even footprint and good treadwear. I ran my 1st 50 series tires at 40PSI, and it was like driving on grease. At 23 PSI the grip really came back.
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 03:31 PM
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Don't you get a whole lot of sidewall deflection at that low of pressure?
Maybe on the rear it wouldn't be that noticable as it would on the front. (Would KILL turn-in)

I dissagree that cutting springs is a mortal sin...
It's perfetcly fine if you are only taking 1" off, its a great, FREE upgrade to the handling and looks. At 1" you won't be be near to hitting the bumpstops, only have a marginally harder ride, and it will handle much better, even with the stock shocks.
If you are planning on cutting springs for a 3" drop, well that's another story...All the calibration of the suspension goes out the window.
I hope you have made out a will.....
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 03:36 PM
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Sorry, I did not clarify. You can cut the springs for a 1" or 1.5" drop. But for your 3" drop, no way would that be a good idea.
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 05:46 PM
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i dont want to cut the springs so i can get a 3' drop, i explained that i wanted a drop from springs. And then low pro's would add another 1.5 inches. so thats like 2.5 inches, give or take a little...
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 05:56 PM
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the most u can get from a drop is 1.75 intrax... i have them along with lots of others and the car handles great
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 06:07 PM
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Actually I have Tanabe Super Down Precedeo springs on my vert, and it is a 2" drop! The wheel gap is non-existent but no tire/rim tuck with my 17" rims. Looks perfect. BTW, who makes a rear camber kit?
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 06:10 PM
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finally i have proof that DC350 is an ALL OUT RICEBOY....... i knew it all along

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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 06:38 PM
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Damn riceboys
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 11:47 PM
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so you want to lower it 1.5" with springs then get 3" smaller tires to lower it the other 1.5"s ?? then you'll still have the same wheel gap as now... so it'll just look worse cause you'll have the gaps in the front and rear of the tire. and the speedo will be screwed.

mine was lowered about 2"s and it was too low. I just bought coil overs so I could raise it. it'll end up being about 1" lower then stock when I'm done. that's all I would want it.

I would recommand the rear camber link if you lower it at all. but I think it's the toe that really eats tires more then camber.
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Old Apr 3, 2002 | 11:59 PM
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Its mainly the rear that needs to have the camber adjusted when lowering your car. I lowered my car 2" with GC coilovers and the front camber barely changed if at all. The rear changed to I'm guessing about -3 degrees of camber(I'm a pretty good guesser as I'm aligning Formula 2000 cars right now at the Bridgestone Racing Academy) Our cars should have 0 toe in the rear stock. There is little to no bump steer(toe change due to suspension bump), so lowering your rear-end should not affect toe settings at all. As for the front, I THINK our cars have 1/16, or 1/32 of toe-in. Lowering the front end of the car will have an effect on Toe, but I doubt it would be enough to worry about.
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Old Apr 4, 2002 | 01:03 AM
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i'm not a rice boy!!! well i do like slammed cars. BUT, i like my car even better
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 09:35 PM
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hmm.....what about all the slamed skylines in japan that drift like crazy? stop with this rice BS. i like slamed cars too. and i would do it if 1) could afford it 2) no speed bumps 3) no dirt roads but i'm sure if you really do race its grip racing. slamed is no good. plus think about it. your sus. can't compress anymore then that. so your doing some highway battles 145 and pulling. hit a small bump or dip in the road. whats gonna happend. what ever wheel hit it is gonna fly off the ground and your car and prolly you too are gone. but hey. i hate when ppl talk abotu danger so **** slam it but do it the right way. get teh full RE ameymia kit with wing and all so you look like you just came from a jgtc race and gun it. then you will be slamed look cool and will prolly still die thanks to lack of driving skill. haha i dunno. have fun
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 10:49 PM
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Sorry dude, but you got no ******* clue what your are doing. I am with Impreza on this one.
3" on the street? I wanna see that you have a car to begin with so that I can first make sure you realize how low that is.
Even 1.5" is low.
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