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Old 12-16-04, 10:12 PM
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want more angle

should i spend 200 on an angle kit made by gp sports or should i just add washers at the tie rod ends? which is safer, better, etc?

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Old 12-16-04, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kd86rx7
should i spend 200 on an angle kit made by gp sports or should i just add washers at the tie rod ends? which is safer, better, etc?

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Those "angle kits" or adding washers may give you a tighter turning angle, but they also give you bumpsteer. There are cheaper, safer, more effective ways of getting a tighter turning angle, but first:

Is this a drift-only car, with zero street or track driving?
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does anyone make shorter steering arms? or do any of the different models(PS, or no PS) have shorter ones?
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I think the GTUs has the shortest lock to lock steering rack ratio.
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Originally Posted by ilike2eatricers
I think the GTUs has the shortest lock to lock steering rack ratio.
Thats dependant on the steering box gearing. Manual vs power, both have different gaering, hence different lock to lock. The GTUs may have had shortest lock to lock, but if so, its because it had power steering, like 90%(guessing) of other 2nd gens.
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Whats an angle kit? I'm just guessing, but does that allow you to turn your wheels farther?
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Originally Posted by BDoty311
Whats an angle kit? I'm just guessing, but does that allow you to turn your wheels farther?

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okay, but besides the racks themselves being different in the gearing and what not... are the steering arms (the arm that connects the tie rod to the suspension) between the cars are the same? some cars have shorter ones for PS cars, than non-PS cars... like the ae86... or maybe the other way around... does anyone know?

or does anyone make aftermarket, shorter steering arms?

shorter steering arms will provide better response, AND higher angle.... so it would be really awesome...
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what exactly is bump-steer?
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Originally Posted by scathcart
Those "angle kits" or adding washers may give you a tighter turning angle, but they also give you bumpsteer.
How does shimming the steering rack induce (more) bumpsteer?


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does it? or is it a good buy?

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you could also relocate the tie rod location on the spindle. i see it done in video option and dori ten quite often on fc's but only know one person that's done it. about a year ago in hawaii i belive the name was hyperrex but all the info was talkin off the xanga page and i lost the files i save when my computer crash.. maybe he still has em? i duno heres some scans from a dori ten im working on having some one translate it for me at the moment

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Originally Posted by RETed
How does shimming the steering rack induce (more) bumpsteer?


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Shimming the steering rack doesn't, I agree with you.

However, he is describing shimming down the tie rod ends with washers. This will make the steering rack arms no longer parallel to the lower a-arms and induce bumpsteer.
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Originally Posted by Bigretardhead
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okay, but besides the racks themselves being different in the gearing and what not... are the steering arms (the arm that connects the tie rod to the suspension) between the cars are the same? some cars have shorter ones for PS cars, than non-PS cars... like the ae86... or maybe the other way around... does anyone know?

or does anyone make aftermarket, shorter steering arms?

shorter steering arms will provide better response, AND higher angle.... so it would be really awesome...
The only arm that is different is the right arm on the manual racks.

Shorter arms would be useless once you re-align the car anyway with our suspension. There would be no point... you would make the tires tow-in with the shorter steering arms, and then when the toe is corrected at realignment, nothing would be different.
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Originally Posted by scathcart
The only arm that is different is the right arm on the manual racks.

Shorter arms would be useless once you re-align the car anyway with our suspension. There would be no point... you would make the tires tow-in with the shorter steering arms, and then when the toe is corrected at realignment, nothing would be different.

sorry, maybe I'm not using the correct word for it, but I'm not talking about anything on any of the racks. I'm talking about the piece that connects to the suspension/control arm, and the tie rod. it has the hole that the tie rod goes through and then the castle nut goes on the other side of it to hold the tie rod securely connected to it.... what are those suckers called?
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being the newb that i am, i repeat vice's question...

what's a bumpsteer?
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