a video to wack it to. (Rtek7 2.0 software)
05-21-05, 10:29 PM
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$300 more than my standalone cost me! 
Pretty impressive though, but I must say I'm not a fan of the stock old crusty harnesses, and this doesn't appear to be a versy easy install for your average user who can't even crimp wire properly.
Pretty impressive though, but I must say I'm not a fan of the stock old crusty harnesses, and this doesn't appear to be a versy easy install for your average user who can't even crimp wire properly.
05-21-05, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
$300 more than my standalone cost me! Pretty impressive though, but I must say I'm not a fan of the stock old crusty harnesses, and this doesn't appear to be a versy easy install for your average user who can't even crimp wire properly.
Pretty impressive though, but I must say I'm not a fan of the stock old crusty harnesses, and this doesn't appear to be a versy easy install for your average user who can't even crimp wire properly.
05-22-05, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
$300 more than my standalone cost me! Pretty impressive though, but I must say I'm not a fan of the stock old crusty harnesses, and this doesn't appear to be a versy easy install for your average user who can't even crimp wire properly.
Pretty impressive though, but I must say I'm not a fan of the stock old crusty harnesses, and this doesn't appear to be a versy easy install for your average user who can't even crimp wire properly.1.Pull up carpet.
2.remove 4 bolts
3. remove cover over ecu
4 unplug ecu
5. undo 4 more bolts.
6 remove ecu and replace with rtec2.0 ecu
7. plug in cable for Palm pilot.
8. put everything back together.
9. drive to tuner to have fuel and timing adjusted.
Installing this is FAR easier then install a super afc and a fcd. (fcd is pretty damn easy though)
I do however agree that the old wireing sucks fat *****.
05-22-05, 01:30 AM
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Guys, that first post was a copy of an email I sent someone. I didn't post it. It would have been nice for the poster to indicate so in the post.
If you want to be put on the Rtek annouce list, send an email to rtekinfo@pocketlogger.com. Your email will only be used to announce the release of Rtek v2.0 and then will be discarded.
I said "under $500". Contrary to normal practices, that doesn't mean $499. In reality, it will probably be closer to $400 but I don't want to say $400 and find out we need to raise the price later on.
The Rtek 2.0 is a daugterboard/chip/serial port added to your stock ECU. It is not a complete ECU. We modify your ECU.
As the first post said, you need divx to watch the video. http://www.divx.com/
We do plan to allow logging of a WB through the logger software. Down the road we may add a 'auto tune' type feature to the software.
I think that was all the questions...
Regards,
Mike Montalvo
digital tuning, inc.
www.pocketlogger.com
If you want to be put on the Rtek annouce list, send an email to rtekinfo@pocketlogger.com. Your email will only be used to announce the release of Rtek v2.0 and then will be discarded.
I said "under $500". Contrary to normal practices, that doesn't mean $499. In reality, it will probably be closer to $400 but I don't want to say $400 and find out we need to raise the price later on.
The Rtek 2.0 is a daugterboard/chip/serial port added to your stock ECU. It is not a complete ECU. We modify your ECU.
As the first post said, you need divx to watch the video. http://www.divx.com/
We do plan to allow logging of a WB through the logger software. Down the road we may add a 'auto tune' type feature to the software.
I think that was all the questions...
Regards,
Mike Montalvo
digital tuning, inc.
www.pocketlogger.com
05-22-05, 02:13 AM
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yea i didnt make it clear that it was a copy of the email i got.
We all know that a full ems is the way to go if we all could. The install of a full ems and setup IS more than lots of us are willing to do. I dont have $1000 for a ems... thas why i went with a safc and a fcd. Now that my goals have changed the safc and fcd just dont offer the tuning im looking for.
Before there was no middle of the road option... now ~$400 for this modded ecu setup can offer the tuning options im looking for at less than half the cost of the full ems. I dont have to pay someone to install the harnesses and run all the wires that a full ems comes with.
I can sell my safc for 200 and fcd for 50... so i kinda look at it like im trading in my setup for a better one with plenty of options to do what i need to do.
so if this is not what your looking for and/or you already have a full ems then good for you, but try not to trash the idea just for sake of argument.
**MODS**
p.s. when this takes off i think we may need to add a section in the EMS section of the forum to discss maps and tuning with this setup.
We all know that a full ems is the way to go if we all could. The install of a full ems and setup IS more than lots of us are willing to do. I dont have $1000 for a ems... thas why i went with a safc and a fcd. Now that my goals have changed the safc and fcd just dont offer the tuning im looking for.
Before there was no middle of the road option... now ~$400 for this modded ecu setup can offer the tuning options im looking for at less than half the cost of the full ems. I dont have to pay someone to install the harnesses and run all the wires that a full ems comes with.
I can sell my safc for 200 and fcd for 50... so i kinda look at it like im trading in my setup for a better one with plenty of options to do what i need to do.
so if this is not what your looking for and/or you already have a full ems then good for you, but try not to trash the idea just for sake of argument.
**MODS**
p.s. when this takes off i think we may need to add a section in the EMS section of the forum to discss maps and tuning with this setup.
05-22-05, 11:38 AM
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It is pretty cool, I saw some ecus alot like that in Japan, they were stock based but were readable, and programmable to a certain extent... The difference is they had it in 1988, its 2005 now...
05-22-05, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeperfc
yea i didnt make it clear that it was a copy of the email i got.
We all know that a full ems is the way to go if we all could. The install of a full ems and setup IS more than lots of us are willing to do. I dont have $1000 for a ems... thas why i went with a safc and a fcd. Now that my goals have changed the safc and fcd just dont offer the tuning im looking for.
Before there was no middle of the road option... now ~$400 for this modded ecu setup can offer the tuning options im looking for at less than half the cost of the full ems. I dont have to pay someone to install the harnesses and run all the wires that a full ems comes with.
I can sell my safc for 200 and fcd for 50... so i kinda look at it like im trading in my setup for a better one with plenty of options to do what i need to do.
so if this is not what your looking for and/or you already have a full ems then good for you, but try not to trash the idea just for sake of argument.
**MODS**
p.s. when this takes off i think we may need to add a section in the EMS section of the forum to discss maps and tuning with this setup.
We all know that a full ems is the way to go if we all could. The install of a full ems and setup IS more than lots of us are willing to do. I dont have $1000 for a ems... thas why i went with a safc and a fcd. Now that my goals have changed the safc and fcd just dont offer the tuning im looking for.
Before there was no middle of the road option... now ~$400 for this modded ecu setup can offer the tuning options im looking for at less than half the cost of the full ems. I dont have to pay someone to install the harnesses and run all the wires that a full ems comes with.
I can sell my safc for 200 and fcd for 50... so i kinda look at it like im trading in my setup for a better one with plenty of options to do what i need to do.
so if this is not what your looking for and/or you already have a full ems then good for you, but try not to trash the idea just for sake of argument.
**MODS**
p.s. when this takes off i think we may need to add a section in the EMS section of the forum to discss maps and tuning with this setup.
05-22-05, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeperfc
We all know that a full ems is the way to go if we all could. The install of a full ems and setup IS more than lots of us are willing to do. I dont have $1000 for a ems... thas why i went with a safc and a fcd.
Why is the installation of a full ems so much work? People are willing to pull their motors out and port them. They are willing to buy and install replacement turbo kits. They are willing to install front mount intercoolers. They are willing to entirely pull off the intake manifold to port them out and are also willing to completely go to all the effort of removing the rats nest for the sake of looks. People go out of their way to remove the entire a/c system with the false hopes they'll go alot faster. People remove their power steering and air pumps. People rip out their interiors and then reinstall them just so they can pull the few pounds of sound deadening off the car for lightness. This is all alot of work and some of it senseless but installing a standalone ems is too much work? I just don't see the issue. You also do not need a dyno at all to get the car running good. This is a myth by those unwilling to learn or even try a standalone. Tuning is very easy for anyone who even has a hint of how they work. Anyone could learn to tune one in a single day and I do mean anyone.
I didn't have $1000 for an ems either. That's why I spent about $200 for a Megasquirt and I am very happy with it. It runs great and has never seen a dyno.
Again, I'm not bashing this product at all. That's not even the topic of my reply. I love mutiple choices. I just don't see what is so difficult about a standalone ems system when people spend far more time and money on other things that take far more effort (and in many cases money) and do less for them.
05-22-05, 05:18 PM
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a ems you mess up your motor is done you have to get it wired tuned by a repituable tuner and pray it works and sometimes you have to remove stuff you really dont want to with a full stand alone so we try and make the stock ecu work with add ons. with this rtek we can datalog and tune the same was a stand alone can according to this post and you save 700$ or more.
05-22-05, 05:45 PM
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does this omit the MAF?
this would be a big selling point if you ask me...
if it does i probably would have opted for it over the standalone i just ordered but it doesn't cost $1200 for a standalone, you can get them for near this same price. but it would save a lot of hassle and headaches simply plugging in an OEM upgraded replacement.
this would be a big selling point if you ask me...
if it does i probably would have opted for it over the standalone i just ordered but it doesn't cost $1200 for a standalone, you can get them for near this same price. but it would save a lot of hassle and headaches simply plugging in an OEM upgraded replacement.
05-22-05, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by skir2222
a ems you mess up your motor is done you have to get it wired tuned by a repituable tuner and pray it works and sometimes you have to remove stuff you really dont want to with a full stand alone so we try and make the stock ecu work with add ons. with this rtek we can datalog and tune the same was a stand alone can according to this post and you save 700$ or more.
You save 700??? and the wiring is simple basic ****. And no you cant tune the same as a standalone.. there are so many more parameters to tune on a standalone, that cannot be replicated by the stock ecu. Even with a chip.
Yes the idea is great, but please dont compare it to a standalone. Compare it to a emanage or something of the sort..
05-22-05, 05:59 PM
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I built my ems without ever having done any of that type of work before. I rewired it all myself without ever having fabbed up a complete wiring harness before. I did not have anyone else install it for me. Most people remove everything else on the motor anyways. Mine has not been tuned by anybody but me and the seat of the pants and it works very nice. Much better than from the factory. It also started up on the very first try using no ones base maps. Carbs have been tuned this way for years. The Rtek would save me nothing and actually cost much more in the end. Anytime you use a product that alters fuel and or timing, you run the risk of blowing it up. If the Rtek blows up your motor, ask them to replace it. See what they say. If you can tune it, you will always have the potential to hurt it. There will always be those that hold to the philosophy that more is better and they will be the ones to blow them up. The people who are too lazy to learn how to do it will also blow them up. Yes even the Rtek. It doesn't matter if you have to completely install something new or if it is plug and play. If you change a map, you have full control and responsibility over what happens and not the company that built it. The whole point isn't to bash the Rtek. I'm excited about how they are progressing. I'm sure it works great and seems like the best step without going to full standalone. It's definitely a good option for those who don't ever touch their cars and just want a plug in solution. Show me a person who doesn't mess (up?) with their RX-7 though. It still has a very restrictive and power robbing afm. Their future effort that will do away with this will undoubtedly make it probably the single best mod for the amount of effort available. The whole point is that EVERY single excuse you listed is just that, an excuse. No aftermarket company will warranty your engine if you blow it up including this one. You do not need dynos to tune it (as I said, excuse used by those with no experience or knowledge of engine management) and if you do any amount of work at all to your own car, you are more than capable of installing a standalone.
I feel that the Rtek is a good product and will hopefully in the future be the 2nd gen equivalent of the PowerFC. This would be very exciting and a good thing. It's especially exciting considering the car is as old as it is. I just don't understand ANYONE's excuses when it comes to the difficulties or expenses of properly installing or tuning standalones. It is EASY and anyone can learn very quickly. It is not magic and there is no rocket science to it. Yes it takes some learning to figure out certain little tricks to get the last little bit of power you can. This is what separates the good tuners from the great ones. It isn't hard though to get them working very well without this experience or a dyno.
I feel that the Rtek is a good product and will hopefully in the future be the 2nd gen equivalent of the PowerFC. This would be very exciting and a good thing. It's especially exciting considering the car is as old as it is. I just don't understand ANYONE's excuses when it comes to the difficulties or expenses of properly installing or tuning standalones. It is EASY and anyone can learn very quickly. It is not magic and there is no rocket science to it. Yes it takes some learning to figure out certain little tricks to get the last little bit of power you can. This is what separates the good tuners from the great ones. It isn't hard though to get them working very well without this experience or a dyno.
