MARTIN

Like I said you cannot compare this to a standalone, the best would comparison would be to everyother piggyback ems thats out there, I.e. emanage, fmu, safc...

skir2222

it owns all of them so we should compare it to a stand alone and see what pro's and con's are on this item

Node

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lack of flexibility

stuck to max of 720/720
only four injectors
stuck to stock harness
stuck w/ CAS
stuck w/ stock sensors unless he makes it able ot change them to diff
could possibly run a diff TB/intake mani setup if you figured out a way to use the TPS
stuck with stock 2 BAR pressure sensor which limits the ECUs abililty to read more than 14psi
stuck w/ s4 turbo ii


with a standalone you could run a lawnmover if you wanted. its pretty much an all in one and you just find one with as many outputs for inj/spark as you need. choosing is a little more complicated due to your price range and what you want it to do and which you prefer personally. but a standalone can run pretty much ANYTHING
just about any standalone that can run a 2 rotor will run a 3 rotor, but it will have no timing split unless it has that special. most dont


Basically, if the RTek 2.0's limits fit your goals. It is a great setup
you're fuel limited, psi limited, and a few other things. but its a extremely flexible setup so it looks
It also runs emissions just like stock

Fitness Stain

i think its great ... im going either 2.0 or 1.7

bunch of haters on here

Mindspin311

ok so Im still a bit confused, is the 2.0 going to be the same as the 1.7 as its just a reprogrammed chip? or a completely new ECU?

hondahater

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reprogrammed chip with a daughter board that will alow you to datalog as well as change things like timing, fuel, what kind of injectors etc...

Mindspin311

Ahhh, it all makes sense now.

88t2romad

this looks like great idea if your not looking to make a shitload of power, but if your an average joe, then this is somehting you would want to consider.

I have an s4 T2........now only if i knew how to tune my car

Node

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thats the great thing, its stock map, but tuneable

find someone in your area to tune your car!!!! you can have it tuned just like a standalone, fuel and ignition maps are 3d so its pretty flexible
just make sure you at least are running overly rich, or just limp in out of boost. stock map w/ added timing and no fuel cut so better than no FCD at all.

that boost controller option would be pretty damn cool
run it to a unused switch on the dash, where are the s5 foglight

Ricer240sx

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would there be a way to adapt a different pressure sensor to teh unit, like say a 3 bar one?? this unit sounds good, but i might end up running more that 1 bar boost and id like to be able to see that lol.....idk, well see how extreme i want to get hehe but i am interested!!

turbo2ltr

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I'm not here to argue, just representing the other side of the coin. There is no doubt that a full stand alone is more flexible, but just how much?

"stuck" is a harsh word. You can run bigger, those are just presets. You'll need to lean out larger injectors via tuning. If you are running one of the presets, it cuts down on how much "injector compensation" (just correcting for the injectors) tuning you need to do. With a standalone you don't have that option. You'll be "injector compensation" tuning no matter what injectors you have.

Yup, can't do much about that with the stock ECU hardware platform.

Well this can be good and bad. I realize the stock harness isn't that great so keeping it is not optimal. But then again, depsite what people are claiming here, not everyone has the skill to rewire the harness to put a standalone in.

You will have to explain why this is bad.

These are all options for the future. It's a mere change of the program.

Already working on using a 3bar MAP.

For now...


I'm not sure I see the point. You are running an RX7, not a lawnmower. What does it matter if a standalone can run a moped? I know you are illustrating it's flexability, but in the scope of this discussion, it's irrelavant .


Well, I doubt we will ever get around to getting the stock ECU to run a 3 rotor, but if you are that deep into mods, you probably can afford to get a stand alone...

Is the Rtek a stand alone replacement? No. Is it darn close? I'll let you be the judge. Is it cheaper and easier to install? Definitely.

Piggy backs are band-aids. They trick the ECU into doing what you want it to do, usually at the expense of something else. That is not the case with the Rtek so I don't see how you can say the previous statement.

Like?


In any case, I'm not here to bash anyone's opinion, I am just here presenting the facts as I see them and welcome any arguments for/against them. I think we all know that there are people out there that need a stand alone and the Rtek will not suite them. But there are plenty that don't. We aren't claiming the Rtek to be a standone replacement for the people that need one, mearly a step in-between piggybacks (AFC/Fcon, etc) and a full stand alone.


Regards,
Mike Montalvo
digital tuning, inc.
www.pocketlogger.com

sleeperfc

well said... i have the money and am waiting for its release. please hurry! lol

josh greene

Well since my mods are about done for now on on my TII, 720 secondarys, bigger fuel pump, ported engine and 2.5" turbo back exhaust(gonna go 3" oneday), Im gonna go with a Rtec over a safc cause its $100 less and one day I may get V2.0. But I think the Rtek chips are great things for people like me who dont have a tone of power and are on a budget pluse its plug and play very easy!!! ILL BE ORDERING ONE IN A COUPLE WEEKS!

kabooski

Eh hmmm

lets see

4 injectors..no problem 850cc X 1600cc can support close to 600 rwhp
CAS a problem? don't think so... very solid design

stock sensors? I use stock sensors with my Microtech
any issues? NO

I also use a partial stock harness
again no issues

Can my MicroTech run a 3 rotor a lawnmower a geo metro?
No

I drive a S4... dont need software emulation of other sensors /pickups
I need hardware specific which leads to a much more presice and stable ignition system

Not everyone is looking to make 500+ rwhp
and the money its get to get there


Don't listen to the haters

Thank You! for making such a promising product for us FC's

MARTIN

Look, I wasnt trying to bash this idea at all. Infact you are right, this will probably give people an extra choice instead of going full standalone, or even trying other piggy back. But dont try and say that people arent skilled for this/that. The fact is, that if you cant make a couple of connections then you shouldnt be even trying to tune the car....

Jererx7

It is what it is...somewhere between a stock ecu and a full blown standalone. The price is roughly half that of most standalones, too. For those who just want more power than stock and the flexability to tune-as-they-mod, it seems like the best option.

If you want substantial power gains and are planning large upgrades like huge turbo, huge intercooler, etc then this is obviously not the ecu to use.

skir2222

Why not? you can alter the timing now.

Node

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I was in no way bashing the rtek 2.0. I'm a big fan of it and am very anxiously awaiting its release
If it was a female I would definately PIIDB

I was just stating all of the differences I noticed about the Rtek vs a standalone. And this wasn't just a s4 t2 computer solution but standalone for any engine, noting you need s4 turbo etc etc etc. where the standalone can be used on most anything

All love for rtek 2.0
-Ben Martin

Node

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wow, even more people taking my post wrong. Guess I shouldve just stuck to a "s4 turbo" point of view......but whatever. take my post for what it is, im still going to get an rtek 2.0

I got both kabooski and the rtek guy himself against me :-(

I have been nothing but for the rtek ever since I found out about the 1.5 and 1.7 and have been especially pushing for the 2.0
I pretty much singlehandedly reposted everything from the teamfc3s thread to our local az forum (80% FCs) to show the guys what is up and coming and help get support for it.
I merely was trying to list differences between the rtek and a true standalone since a lot of people were asking that. I tried to find every possible aspect and obviously I shouldve just kept my mouth shut and not posted. :-\
Sorry,
Ben Martin

turbo2ltr

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Ben,

It's all good. You made some valid points. (and the others I corrected for you. :p ) Your input (and word spreading) is definitely appreciated. I plan to compile a comparison chart between stand alone, rtek and piggybacks using the info from these posts..


-Mike

Jererx7

The way I understand it, you can only "tune" the factory map by +/- 15% with the Rtek... If you want extreme power gains, this will not suffice. I personally am planning on buying the Rtek because I am not looking for that much extra, just be able to get rid of fuel cut and tune the car properly as modifications are made. The easy of install and use are very important to me as well.

skir2222

361 timing chart.... I believe thats fuel your talking bout jere

RETed

It's an interesting product, but I would recommend to see if you can hack the system to run MAP based load and get rid of the stock AFM!
The stock AFM is a big restriction, and programming the car with the AFM still in the loop is a major hurdle.

Watch out with the pricing, cause I think you're now in the Megasquirt price range?


-Ted

hondahater

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from what I understand he is actually working on that right now.

vicious525E

well, i would still say im on the side of the emanage for now, i can pick up a emanage for about 260 off ebay, you can check the ems forum for a link to the software that you can use to auto tune the emanage, which is just putting in the afr you want and it will tune the rest for you via wideband, emanage will automatically adjust your maps for any different injector size and you can use the greddy 3 bar pressure sensor. although im sure you can use the same sensor with a rtek, considering you can use the stock pressure sensor with a emanage. but the software can easly be found for free along with the manuals.
i think the rtek has come a long way, but the emanage is just more versital.