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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 06:33 PM
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Vert: What did you do to stiffen up the chassis?

I was just curious what people have done to stiffen up their chassis other then a lower arm bar, strut bars, sway bars bushings, shocks/springs/coilovers.

What else could bring it up to par to a coupe?

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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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I was just curious what people have done to stiffen up their chassis other then a lower arm bar, strut bars, sway bars bushings, shocks/springs/coilovers.

What else could bring it up to par to a coupe?

THanks guys.
From what I heard, the convertible is practically just as stiff as the couple (if not moreso) because of the "built-in" rear strut bar and stiffened body.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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Yup! every vert I've ridden in has been stiff as hell. Super rigid body.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 07:33 PM
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I haven't seen much material on it so I as curious. thanks guys.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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I read somewhere it's 1% less stiff than the coupe (that's where the added weight comes in. The extra braces for rigidity)

You can try a roll bar but if you want rigidity you should have bought a coupe with no sunroof.

I think the firewall has an added brace as does the area behind the seats. I don't know where else though.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 08:00 PM
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Have you ever driven or taken a ride in a vert??? My vert feels just as stiff, topless or not, as my TII ever did. My vert does have KYB non-adjustable struts, but otherwise both cars had stock suspension with near equal mileage. Both cars were driven with the same TII engine/ drivetrain. Why do people think a vert is going to flex so much??? Do you really think you are going to corner the **** out of the car so hard that it's sitting on 3 wheels when you park it that evening? If you are driving the car that hard, I apologize. Unless of course, you are doing it on public roads. Then I hope you get arrested before you kill someone else.

Back on subject. If you strip the car to the bare shell, there are only three things I can think of to make the convertible chassis stiffer:
1) Weld in a roll cage
2) Weld on a roof (but then you aren't stiffening a vert, you're building a coupe)
3) Seam welding

If this is a street car, and you want it to stay a convertible, #3 is your only real option. Street cars don't like cages, and convertibles don't like roofs. Seam welding is free if you have access to a welder, and is supposed to make a very noticeable difference on most vehicles. I just wouldn't strip my car down that far for this sole purpose. Again, if this is a track car, I apologize. I just can't imagine "chassis flex" becoming an issue on the street. Plus overly-stiff street cars aren't comfortable. You may like being able to tell if it was a nickel, dime, or penny you just ran over in the road, but when your eyeballs are vibrating in their sockets it gets old quick...
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 08:01 PM
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I own a coupe with a sunroof. I was just curious about the vert's rigidity for a future project.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 08:02 PM
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I'd go with what nitro posted.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 08:04 PM
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I've only take 1 very quick ride in one and didn't have enough time to feel it out. I had thought the only options were a cage and seam welding, just wasn't sure if there were other little things.

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Originally Posted by nitronatefc
Have you ever driven or taken a ride in a vert??? My vert feels just as stiff, topless or not, as my TII ever did. My vert does have KYB non-adjustable struts, but otherwise both cars had stock suspension with near equal mileage. Both cars were driven with the same TII engine/ drivetrain. Why do people think a vert is going to flex so much??? Do you really think you are going to corner the **** out of the car so hard that it's sitting on 3 wheels when you park it that evening? If you are driving the car that hard, I apologize. Unless of course, you are doing it on public roads. Then I hope you get arrested before you kill someone else.

Back on subject. If you strip the car to the bare shell, there are only three things I can think of to make the convertible chassis stiffer:
1) Weld in a roll cage
2) Weld on a roof (but then you aren't stiffening a vert, you're building a coupe)
3) Seam welding

If this is a street car, and you want it to stay a convertible, #3 is your only real option. Street cars don't like cages, and convertibles don't like roofs. Seam welding is free if you have access to a welder, and is supposed to make a very noticeable difference on most vehicles. I just wouldn't strip my car down that far for this sole purpose. Again, if this is a track car, I apologize. I just can't imagine "chassis flex" becoming an issue on the street. Plus overly-stiff street cars aren't comfortable. You may like being able to tell if it was a nickel, dime, or penny you just ran over in the road, but when your eyeballs are vibrating in their sockets it gets old quick...
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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http://www.mazdatrix.com/epconv.htm
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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hahaha, that's strictly racecar status. Not too many vert ppl are that CORE.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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there is another way that you could stiffen up the vert a little bit more, that wont detract from it the way a roll cage or roof would, and thats with stiffening foam. Its basically this junk that you mix up and inject into various hard-points or joints on the frame, it expands and turns ultra-stiff, and in turn keeps the car from flexing as much. I forget what the stuff's called, and you essentially need to strip the car to do it, (at least interior/body wise), but its supposed to help a lot.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by toplessFC3Sman
there is another way that you could stiffen up the vert a little bit more, that wont detract from it the way a roll cage or roof would, and thats with stiffening foam. Its basically this junk that you mix up and inject into various hard-points or joints on the frame, it expands and turns ultra-stiff, and in turn keeps the car from flexing as much. I forget what the stuff's called, and you essentially need to strip the car to do it, (at least interior/body wise), but its supposed to help a lot.
Viagra?
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 11:22 PM
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haha.. someone beat me too the mazdatrix vert, there is also a single rollbar im not sure who designs it but its right behind the seats and the top can still operate. I also have a vert but im gonna go close to the mazdatrix idea by removing the top, but not the front glass. i want a streetable roadster. the vert i believe uses the turbo springs because of the added wieght this gives that stiffer feeling from the factory.
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Old Sep 27, 2007 | 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by theory
I was just curious what people have done to stiffen up their chassis other then ... sway bars bushings, shocks/springs/coilovers.
For future reference, these things would not stiffen the chassis, as they are not part of it. These things would actually make a floppy chassis feel more so.
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