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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 12:58 PM
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using MSD 6AL to launch w/ some boost?

Just curious if you can use a MSD 6AL or other ignition with REV limiter to launch with some boost. Cuz if you jus put ur foot on gas u wont simple get boost like that. With a rev limiter since its by ignition cutting the revs, u can have foot all the way down, so most fuel and most air will get into to make more boost, rite? neone done this before? Any help greatly appreciated, TIA
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 02:18 PM
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It's doubtfull that this type of rev limiting will allow you to boost. Boost is generated when the engine is under load, and at rev limit, it is certainly not under load. In fact, the MSD/Crane boxes simply skip ignition events to keep the engine speed down, which will no doubt reduce the amount of exhaust through the turbo.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 03:17 PM
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Yeah, it'll give you some boost for launch, but not full. You really need a 2 step for that. Clutch in gives you a limit of 4k-5k or where ever you like to launch and once the clutch is out it'll limit at your particular redline.
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 10:17 PM
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cool thx, thats what I wanted to know. I dunt wanna lauch at full boost (that would **** up ur engine). I jus wanna hear from people who actually have a MSD6AL, or other ignition of the like. I heard that it doesnt cut the revs, just the spark, or something like that on a rotary. TIA
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Old Dec 24, 2002 | 10:52 PM
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All ignition box rev limiters cut spark. That's their only input to the system
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 04:11 PM
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yea i kno, but i heard it dunt werk rite, cuz like if u pull out 2 spark plugs, wont the motor run fine (on a rotary)
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 04:13 PM
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Depends on which plugs you pull. But simply missing ignition events is worlds different then pulling spark plugs.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 04:17 PM
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well maybe if you set the rev limiter at 5k everytime it bounces off the revlimiter the boost will rise alittle, maybe get 5psi at the most from that, but then when you the cluctch out you'll prolly get made boost spike....
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 04:21 PM
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Why not just learn how to drive?
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 10:02 PM
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cuz, i wanna get the closest thing to anti lag as i can, and since i'm getting a ignition i wanna know if this feature is worthless or what.
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Old Dec 25, 2002 | 10:19 PM
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 12:21 AM
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well i'm getting an ignition an wanna know if this feature is worth getting (like me previous post says)
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There is an anti-lag feature on the haltech that if certain conditions when are met ( I have it set for full throttle from 2000-4000rpms) timing is retarded by 20 or more degrees so that fuel comes out of the engine and burns in the turbo to spool it up quicker, so you get full boost MUCH earlier, full boost in first gear.

An ignition cut (Like the 6AL) will dump raw fuel into the exhaust which may burn in the turbo in a similiar fashion, but not quite like the anti-lag.

Or you could always use nitrous during the launch in first gear and get it spooled real quick.
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 12:38 AM
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There is an anti-lag feature on the haltech that if certain conditions when are met ( I have it set for full throttle from 2000-4000rpms) timing is retarded by 20 or more degrees so that fuel comes out of the engine and burns in the turbo to spool it up quicker, so you get full boost MUCH earlier, full boost in first gear.

An ignition cut (Like the 6AL) will dump raw fuel into the exhaust which may burn in the turbo in a similiar fashion, but not quite like the anti-lag.

Or you could always use nitrous during the launch in first gear and get it spooled real quick.
So thats how that works, thxs.... Doesn't that usually fry your turbo pretty fast though? I would rather run nitrous in 1st gear, especially if i had a huge turbo.
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RexRyder, don't buy a 6al to spool your turbo. It is a good mod, but it won't do that.
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Yeah they say not to run the anti-lag system for extended periods of time

And nitrous in first gear sounds so nice with a huge turbo
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yea i got the idea from the haltech. because the haltech has like the secondary rev limiter or something like that, and is like a soft touch rev limiter. I would never want to launch at FULL BOOSt, or use nitrous on 1st, that would majorly **** up ur engine. partial boost is good enuff for me. how come ur saying that it wont spool up the turbine Suds? everyone seems to be agreeing that it will give u some partial boost.
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Originally posted by RexRyder
yea i got the idea from the haltech. because the haltech has like the secondary rev limiter or something like that, and is like a soft touch rev limiter. I would never want to launch at FULL BOOSt, or use nitrous on 1st, that would majorly **** up ur engine. partial boost is good enuff for me. how come ur saying that it wont spool up the turbine Suds? everyone seems to be agreeing that it will give u some partial boost.
Nitrous is safe If you know what you're doing, plus something small like a 50 shot, won't do any damage.
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How would full boost or nitrous in 1st gear **** anything up? It might make the tires spin... heh.
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 04:31 PM
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it'll wear out the turbo quicker, and is harder on the engine (duh)
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How is it harder on the engine? There is less load on it than in 4th gear. Plus if you are worried about wearing out a turbo from having it spool, maybe you should get a different car
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 04:55 PM
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well ok, my frend had a 96 GST, and he would always lauch hard with it, and it would always have problems. And u kno the cars with the real anti-lag always have to rebuild the motor and turbo and stuff, i jus wanna be able to launch w/ some boost w/o rebuilding the motor, or turbo.
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 05:11 PM
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with the anti-lag on, you are burning fuel in the turbo, and it will wear out faster.
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 08:00 PM
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well ok, my frend had a 96 GST, and he would always lauch hard with it, and it would always have problems. And u kno the cars with the real anti-lag always have to rebuild the motor and turbo and stuff, i jus wanna be able to launch w/ some boost w/o rebuilding the motor, or turbo.
Thats a DSM. They are notorious for constant problems. Anti lag is stupid imo.
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 09:50 PM
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ok, if anti lag is stupid, why are all dem rally cars using them? and why is it a feature in haltech, etc..
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