ZombeGTA

I was reading this website japperformance.com they sell a adapter to install either a celica, or a supra trans onto a 13B bellhousing. What would be the benefit of this? It seems to me that the drive shaft is the weakest link, not the trans. Is there a awd celica? Making a awd second gen would be very cool.

slvrsentra

They made a turbo all wheel drive celica in the early 90's it was called the ALL-Trac.

CORY

Scott 89t2

that's for droping the 13b into the celica /supra.. and I think it's probably the the 82-85 ones. those are the ones I've seen before anyways...

ZombeGTA

That would make more sense, I think. I would use a t5 trans if I were going to mod mine.

BlackRx7

****, why not just travel 12 year into the future and buy an RX8 tranny real cheap, I wonder if its a direct bolt up, then travel back through time and show everyone your badass tranny , its late I'm a little tipsy, but seriously I really hope the rotary market takes off, I mean image a single rotor enconmy car 650cc, basically half of the renisis motor, it would still produce 125hp tuned right, thats as much as those little CRXs even miatas@!

Icemark

Yeah the trans kit is for a RA6X/MA6X Toyota trans.(early eighties to late 80's RWD)

The FWD tranny based all trac wouldn't work unless you swaped the motor in sideways.

BlackRx7

hey did any supras come with 6 speeds? I've been really really wanting one, I know my other post was a shame but the 6 speed on the freeway with a 4.10 diff would kill ALL prolly even my friends 03 cobra!!! they only got a 3.73 i think...

Bridgeported

Reason to put a Supra transmission in? Well simple... can the RX-7 transmission handle 1000 rwhp? Didn't think so!

Chances are the RX-8 transmission is no stronger than the TII or FD transmissions. I bet it is even weaker and lighter. It wouldn't need to be as strong since the TII and FD engines put out more torque and more power down low. GENERALLY the more torquey and engine is, the stronger of transmission that comes mated to it.

All MKIV Supra Twin Turbo's came with the 6-speed transmission. The model number is V160 if you want to look up info on it. This is the strongest production Japanese transmission ever made as far as I know. Owners with up to 1000 rwhp leave the stock transmission in their cars with no problems (except MASSIVE wheel spin!!)

In AUS and NZ it is very popular to put the older Supra 5-speed transmission in the car. Reason? Same as above - to handle more power. It's not as strong as the MKIV's 6-speed, but it is much stronger than the RX-7 transmissions and is common enough that you can purchase it from most junkyards. There are guys running 9's on this transmission with engines over 500 rwhp (not sure how much more powerful).

MisRed

OMG! Where are all the RX-7 transmission purists crying about these swaps?!?!

'Stop! Don't switch out that transmission! You will ruin the soul of the RX-7!'

'RX-7 stands for Rotary Experiment, not Supra Transmission Experiment!'

and my favorite.....

'You are going to mess up the 50/50 weight distribution of the RX-7 and RUIN the car with that Supra transmission in your RX-7!'

The above text is nothing but sarcasm. I find it very very interesting that someone came on this board and posted a question about swapping transmissions and NO ONE gave them flack about 'killing the soul'' of the RX-7 like they do V6/V8 engine swaps. What is the difference beween a transmission and an engine swap? Why is one considered ok and one considered unethical? Aren't we all just customizing our OWN car to our personal needs?

Seems the purists are selective when it comes to deciding what THEY think is appropriate for the all mighty RX-7.

What if someone put a Supra engine in an RX-7? What song would we be singing then??

'Vert in Vegas

Funny you should mention that.
It seems pistons are mostly ok,
IF they are not "Made in the USA"
look at this:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=146735

Corprin

The MKIII Supra trans (W56) is a very stout unit. I have personally seen MKIII's pusing well into the 9's on the stock trans. The gears are close enough to remain in boost (for the 7m-gte, and 1jz-gte) but wide enough to make for a streetable 5th gear. Remember, even the lower powered 7m-ge MKIII has enough torque to lug it's tank butt off the line. Those that chose to do a 2jz-gte swap into their MKIII's find that the stock trans does just fine. I don't know how well it would do in a mildly built FC, maybe a T2, but I don't know. I really haven't looked at my ratio's yet.

The W56 was also found in some of the 22-re powered pickups. The truck trans has a very low geared 1st and 2nd, but it drops you off there. The two friends I have that race their pickups both did the supra swap because of the 3rd gear of the stock trans dropping them out of power band.

It's starting to become a common swap for thse AE86 guys that are getting into froced induction, as the W56 will bolt in place of the stock T50 with minor mods to the drive shaft.

If you want to find a W56, all you need to do is find a MKIII supra, and pop the hood. On the firewall is a silver plate, typically on the driver's side. the lowest section of numbers and letters are the build codes. The last three digits are the trans code.

http://corprin.streetracing.org/hachi/IMAGE1b.jpg

The celica did have a AWD variant shipped to the us. This was found in the ST165, and ST185. Both of these were powered by the same motor that is found in the SW21 (Mr2 Turbo) the 3s-gte. As both of the US All-trac models and the mr2 are a transversly mounted engine, and trans, it's unfeasable to use them in your Rx7. This also rings true to the ST205, which was never shipped to the US. If you wanted to use the venriable 3s-gte in your car, you might try a Altezza, or Rav4 trans since both are mated to a 3s-gte/3s-ge, and will bolt to the us market turbo motors.

Now, with all that yammered on... how strong *is* the T2 trans?

RotaryRevn

the steel case supra 5spd, and celica 4spd are very strong units and have proven themselves to work great on high output rotaries in Australia. In my opinion the sould of any rotary car is the rotary engine. You take that away, and it's not an rx7 or whatever car your using. A tranny, is a tranny, is a tranny. Rotary is very unique compared to piston engines and that is why people don't care about swappin tranny's. There is a big differance in using a pist-on motor or a rotary engine.

ZombeGTA

Awesome, I guess it's a no brainer that a Supra trans would be able to handle more power. As for the "soul" question if I wanted a light V8 Id buy a late 90's plastic camaro. But there's no way I'd ever drop a pushrod engine into my car. If it hapened that I swapped engines I'd go the VG30 route.

MisRed

I guess if Fast & Furious featured more V8's then the lads at RX7Club.com would welcome us too..

I am done posting over here for awhile, tired of typing to close minded, high school, hypocrites.

Maybe once I get a carbon fiber radio surround and a wing I'll come back and fit in a little better

Bridgeported

Hey don't stop posting! I appreciate what you've done to your car.... exactly what I want to do with a car: make it fast without spending much money

If you want to filter out lots of the jibber-jabber and lame posts crap, move over to the Tech and Performance sections of the site... the forums there are generally focused on the topic with little flaming and dumb things going on.

JoeZoom

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But isn't a VG30 a "Pushrod" engine?!?!?!

wozzoom

Dude, obviously your bitter about all the flames you've recieved... so what? Get over it.

The soul of the RX-7 is not the transmission. The soul of the RX-7 is the rotary engine and the overall "It just feels right" handling of the car.

You can't even be serious when you try to compare a transmission swap to your GN swap.