SuperCharger for RX-7's based on the Tesla Bladeless Disk Turbine
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Kristopher d You are right, the Magna Charger system for the Harley or car for that matter is positive displacement with the twin rotor system. Works like a dream, as it is driven by an internal sprocket and chain sitting in engine oil. Virtually Zero spool up time as it delivers a constant volume of 140% the air required. As fast as you can twist the throttle you are banging on the door of the rev limiter and shifting. I can tell you that system did not require any million dollars, or a year of R and D to roll out a working prototype, and all the parts are machined out of billet aluminum using a computerized system.
Believe me, I will be the first to buy Franks system when it is running. I like the idea of it driving itself off of waste gasses as postulated by an earlier poster, or drive it off of a constant source of rotation, i.e. an extra pulley and belt off of the power steering or A/C or fan. Anything but the pump. What is really attractive to the separate tiny engine or turbine driven off of waste gasses is that an existing source of inefficiency is used to provide efficiency. The electrical resources of the car are just too weak to take seriously.
Come on Frank, you say you don't really need anyone’s money, so show us yours by getting the supercharger up and running. I can guarantee that there are a lot more models that are non-turbo that would buy, and add a reliable supercharger, than there are owners wanting to add and modify for a turbo installation, or turbo model owners waiting with baited breath for a new turbo to spend their money on upgrading. Sheer manufacturing numbers make that an exercise for marketing 101. Just a thought Frank, Superchargers in the price range you first mentioned would be snapped up as fast as you could make them, in a quality machine shop. l would pay up to $1000, so would every enthusiast I know, and as every true enthusiast knows the system would only work well with a complete re-do of the exhaust system from pre-cat on back to keep the flow moving. That is why I suggested to you much earlier in the thread to make sure that your system includes a K&N style of free flow filter that is breathing cool air from out front of the radiator, not inside the engine compartment.
Keep it going Frank, show us the product and RX-7 enthusiasts will show you the money! However, a quick check of the math says that $28000 X 12 months = $336,000 / $800 per supercharger = 420 sales to break even. You offered units at cost, or minimally above, at various time to the members of this list and forum. That could be your angel. Get one working, without the benched engine using electrical power as its source, demo it as reliable, and Walla, you are in business. I can tell you that when I first read your posts it sounded like you were testing it in your car and refining your design for imminent delivery. Well, you are obviously some distance from that point but armed with a great idea. Follow it through, and remember, most of your target market are budget focused enthusiasts who will sing your praises if it works and be brutally frank, no pun intended, if your device does not perform as advertised. Carry on the good work, and please, hurry, the supercharger is worthy of focused effort.
Cheers, and contact me off list if you want to discuss performance numbers. There are some seriously modified and performance enhanced cars in my club.
All the hype and theoretics aside, like few: I'm a BIG Tesla fan. Like most: I'm interested. Like all: I want to see proof of this thing in action!
Frank: you said that you've gotten 200+ hp out of your NA on the dyno with the TT running? If you want funding for development, etc, then you must know that you absolutely have show proof of this thing working! Doubly so if you plan on selling it to anyone.
There may be thousands of RX-7 drivers interested here, and many more elsewhere - but I'm doubting that you're going to find many buyers without repeatable, proven results.
Show us a video, give us dyno slips, take still pictures - just don't expect people to cough up money on mere Internet claims!!!
RM
Frank: you said that you've gotten 200+ hp out of your NA on the dyno with the TT running? If you want funding for development, etc, then you must know that you absolutely have show proof of this thing working! Doubly so if you plan on selling it to anyone.
There may be thousands of RX-7 drivers interested here, and many more elsewhere - but I'm doubting that you're going to find many buyers without repeatable, proven results.
Show us a video, give us dyno slips, take still pictures - just don't expect people to cough up money on mere Internet claims!!!
RM
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Precisely!! Show us your stuff, and stand behind your word to sell it at or near cost, and you're a hero, a man of your word. Frank, we want to believe so, please give us a close encounter of the third kind. Converted enthusiasts are your best source of buyers and your ultimate fan club. Don't be afraid to share, after all, you did make the offer in the first place.
Cheers, and Good Luck,
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I've loved the little Wankle since the RX-2 model. I would be, and am the first to cheer the progress in anything that improves and makes the rotory engine more efficient and powerful. I've also spent a lifetime in big-ticket marketing. Frank; now is the time to stand tall and make it happen by being honest, open, and forthright. Either this baby is ready to go or not. I hope for the former, and await your demonstration and delivery on your promises to this list. Good Luck!!
Cheers,
Contact me by email anytime you want to talk.
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Checking back, the last post I see from Frank is pre-Thanksgiving. Which Holiday are we awaiting the passing of?
Personally, I am anxious to see positive results. I want it to work, I just don't want to be worked.
Cheers, and, Merry Christmas to all! Come on Santa, all we want for Christmas is a working Tesla bladeless disk type Supercharger!!
I expect we'll hear from Frank the first week in January. Remember two things guys: 1st, he's still in the prototyping phase, which always takes longer than the engineer expects, because he always thinks the next little tweak will solve all the problems. 2nd, all projects slow down in proportion to the quantity of eggnog and buttered rum you down.
Originally posted by Jimmy325i
I want to see this work because it follows the wankel tradition of going against the grain and making serious power out of tiny packages. I'd just hate to see it become a $4K upgrade from add on parts needed to get it running. Didn't Frank say the original idea was to offer the supercharger at $300? Now we're seeing 800+ Why don't we all wait and see what this thing performs like before trying to "sell" it. Frank is a man on a mission to make it work for his own lusting. If he can mass produce them in the future I think we'd all benefit from it, but untill such a time as the design is drivable I think we should all lay off the business end of this endevor.
I want to see this work because it follows the wankel tradition of going against the grain and making serious power out of tiny packages. I'd just hate to see it become a $4K upgrade from add on parts needed to get it running. Didn't Frank say the original idea was to offer the supercharger at $300? Now we're seeing 800+ Why don't we all wait and see what this thing performs like before trying to "sell" it. Frank is a man on a mission to make it work for his own lusting. If he can mass produce them in the future I think we'd all benefit from it, but untill such a time as the design is drivable I think we should all lay off the business end of this endevor.
Eyes hurt...just read every post...
WOW! This is some amazing stuff. I hope Frank doesn't give up on this idea. Let's give Frank the moral (if not financial) support he deserves for pouring his life into this project. Keep it alive guys...
I am very interested in this. I've been looking for a supercharger system but have read all the high rev problems and lack of proper mounting hard ware of paxton and other brands. If your system can come up with some thing or need a Q/A person here is my experience. I have a 87 auto nonturbo that I'm trying to upgrade to a supercharged system but have not seen anything that does not over rev or has good mounting hardware.
I guess it's time to bug Frank at his other board. From what I've been reading lately, he's been working on a combustor for a turbine project (greater commercial viability, so who can blame him) and may just need a reminder that we are all waiting.
I'd buy this if I knew it worked for sure...
So Lets "bug" him on his other board. I think this idea is ingenious. I spent 3 hours reading all about it. If someone posts his other board url I'll post on that one.
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The question is not whether "bugging" Frank about something he brought up and offered will annoy him, but rather, whether or not Frank has any real intent, or product to display. Frank has become conspicuously absent since it became obvious no one is going to just give him money without a demonstrable product. 
I, for one, hope he is real,
so, all I can say is, Frank, are you out there?


