Isam

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I searched pretty thoroughly on this topic. Sorry for the long read.

My friend was having problems with his clutch sticking to the floor while driving.
Here is a list of the symptoms:

-The clutch sticks to the floor when shifting up, for example when we push the clutch in and are in first gear its more difficult to take it out of gear than normal. Also the pedal will stick the to the floor and it locks us out of all other gears until we lift the pedal up and push it down again, then it goes into any gear fine and pops right back up like it should.

- It doesn't stick if we just pump in in neutral.
- It doesn't stick when we downshift *usually*
- If we pull it out of gear without pushing the clutch in it doesn't stick.

We just replaced the slave and master because every search indicated that was the problem. We bled the clutch the same way i bleed the clutches in my FD and FC and those are always fine so thats not the problem.
The clutch and pressure plate have less then 2500 miles on them and were broken in properly.
And the transmission was recently replaced; but these problems occurred around 2 weeks afterward.

I was wondering if it could be a problem with one of the bearings in the clutch or something with the clutch fork.

Any help would be very much appreciated, I got to drive his car tonight after we replaced the slave and master and it is unbearable i don't know how he can stand it.

rxdrift7

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Thanks for the post Teddy. Yeah thats my car he's talking about, and it's defiantly a pain in the *** so I try to drive as little as possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot guys.

farberio

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Re-bleed the clutch.

If the clutch works fine for some time, but then starts these symptoms, suspect the pilot bearing.

t24todd

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i would def say slave but you said it was already replaced. next bet check the clutch make sure it was put on right and none of the fns are bent. pain in the *** removing tranny back on and off but hey cant go driving with no clutch right?

Isam

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Thanks for the input guys, I'm looking for as many ideas as i can get, if we have to take the transmission off again i want to check everything that could be wrong.
I'm open to the idea that its more than one thing that isn't working correctly so chime in any ideas you might have.

Rotoracer33

You said you changed the tranny, is it new or used. Could be that, I hate to say it.
I had the same kind of problem but it ended up being the clutch and release bearing,
and I had to get a new tranny. my car has a "few" miles. haha... If you take out the tranny check out the clutch fork too. Just to make sure.

rxdrift7

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Yeah the transmission is used. I bought it from a guy on here and it came from a gxl, but I'm not sure about the miles, probably between 80k and 100k.

Will probably re-bleed the clutch and if its still bad have to pull the tranny. I'm getting pretty good at it though this will be the third time in 5 months. Thanks for the help. Feel free to add your op.

misterstyx69

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Try Bleeding the Clutch with a ONE Man Brake bleeder kit.Take the hose and put it on the Bleeder.Have some fluid in the Bottle,so the Clutch doesn't suck air Back..Pump the pedal,and then Crack the bleeder.Once you see fluid in the Hose On the Bleeder Keep Pumping until the fluid Goes clear..DONE.Tighten the bleeder and top up the Master..It Sounds like the Master OR the Slave is GOING OUT..or is Leaking.If you can,check around the ROD that goes into the slave Cylinder,and also hits the Clutch Fork.The Slave usually leaks around there when it Gives up the Ghost..I hope that When you Replaced the Transmission that you Also replaced the PILOT Bearing and Throw out Bearing..(by the way a bad throw out bearing Rumbles with clutch pedal Pressed in..I know..I forgot to replace one..I learned the hard way!)..good luck anyhow.STYX

marshall13B

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man im having the same freakin problem! only i haven't replaced the tranny. i did however replace the clutch slave and master cylinder. I just re-bled the system this morning, only a couple bubbles. I ran the fluid through a couple times just to insure everything was out. only with my car, it was back to normal after i switched out the parts, now its doing it again...

when i push in the clutch, about half way to the floor, it creaks really loud on the thingy thats being pushed by the slave cylinder (is that the fork? i have NO idea). any idea's would be greatly appreciated.

sorry if it looks like im hijacking!

rxdrift7

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Don't worry about hijacking it sound like we might have the same problem. Also it can't be the slave or master because we just put brand new ones on last night. I don't think its the throwout bearing because when those are bad they make a lot of noise and I'm not getting any noise, but I could be wrong.....

marshall13B

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crap, so does that mean its my throwout bearing?? that would suck, it sounds expensive. ESPECIALLY AROUND CHRISTMAS TIME! lol

farberio

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A throw out bearing is $40 or so. Its expensive if you have someone else do the work though.

marshall13B

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yeah thats what sucks, i dont have anywhere to replace it myself... so i would have to pay to get it in... maybe. anything else? and would that really be it? i meen, its not engaging all the way so it wont go into gear, how does a bearing have anything to do with that?

farberio

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Is there any other symptoms? As in, does the clutch work fine at first then go bad? Is it bad all the time? Is there any noise when the clutch is pressed in? Doess the clutch work fine if you press it a bunch of times?

rxdrift7

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So I searched some more and read a lot of posts. I read some things about people bleeding from the actual master cylinder, and adjusting the clutch rod into the master. When I changed the clutch 2500 miles ago I didn't replace the pilot bearing. Maybe thats the case but it never made noise and it still down shifts fine. Still mostly at a loss.

MazdaMike02

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Yes those are symptoms of a bad throw out bearing...I remember that specifically from auto class. I also remember something about the shift fork (clutch fork) being involved..not sure though.

Does it pop out of gear too? That would confirm it.

Isam

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I'm sorry if i seem a little rude but I'd like to get people back on the topic of the original thread. We have a serious problem and I'd like as much help as possible with it. If you have answers for this other dude who has problems please do help him but I'd appreciate it if you could do it in the form of PM's so as not to pull attention off the base issue in the thread.

farberio

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I hate to have to repeat posts...but....

12-15-07 11:09 AM
t24todd i would def say slave but you said it was already replaced. next bet check the clutch make sure it was put on right and none of the fns are bent. pain in the *** removing tranny back on and off but hey cant go driving with no clutch right?
12-15-07 11:07 AM
farberio Re-bleed the clutch.

If the clutch works fine for some time, but then starts these symptoms, suspect the pilot bearing.


Have you tried any of this? Results?

12-16-07 12:56 AM
farberio Is there any other symptoms? As in, does the clutch work fine at first then go bad? Is it bad all the time? Is there any noise when the clutch is pressed in? Doess the clutch work fine if you press it a bunch of times?

rx7racerboy2003

same thing as you bud master has been replaced about 20k miles ago and clutch about 1k ago. doesn't make noise just sticks to the floor and if yours is the same as mine its not like right away or after a period of time just does it at random. is this the same for you?

rxdrift7

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Mine is not really random. It pretty much does it in every gear for the past month, on occasion it will actually shift normal, but that is the exception. Also no it does not make any noise. The pedal just stays down and wont let me get into other gears unless I pop it up and put it back down. Other than the sound Isam covered pretty much everything in the first post. We have not had any time to work on it yet because we have been busy, but we plan on re-bleeding and trying a few small things before we commit to pulling the tranny again. Suggestions are still very much welcome and encouraged.

marshall13B

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Yeah i talked to a buddy of mine that works at a place called z-sport by my place, and were just going to install a new clutch KIT this week. not sure when, i get paid thursday some sometime right after this im sure. anyone in the everett selling a DD? lol

farberio

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What Kit? And make sure to buy a Pilot Bearing Seal from mazdatrix because the kit wont have one.

MazdaMike02

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Hmm apparantly were not helping huh? Lemme make this really really clear.

1. Re-bleed clutch fluid.
2. Replace Clutch Master Cylinder
3. Replace Clutch Throw Out Bearing.

marshall13B

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okay, so bearing and kit?

rxdrift7

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So today we worked on my car. We re-bled the clutch at least two times. Then we adjusted the clutch pedal rod that pushes into the Master cylinder. Now it does not block me out of gears and the clutch pedal comes back up. It feels amazing. Sometimes though after shifting into 4th the pedal stays down for a little then pops up. Owell, at least I can drive now!! Thanks for everyone that helped.