2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

sorry....but is my 7 dead?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 09:04 AM
  #1  
egplease's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: everywhere
sorry....but is my 7 dead?

Been having hard start issues like its struggles to Rev when cold then backfires a bit then runs fine it also stalled when cold....
its been running fine thought in fact drove 6 hours in it yesterday and was a dream
I woke up to move it this morning and same hard start but its now blowing smoke like crazy along with it...
Video upload shortly

BTW no mods and has oil and coolant...not leaking either
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 09:07 AM
  #2  
egplease's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: everywhere
http://static.photobucket.com/player...1-09-49-20.mp4
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 10:55 AM
  #3  
jerd_hambone's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member: 20 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,534
Likes: 28
From: Good Ol' Ky
I can't view the vid. What color is the smoke?
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 11:02 AM
  #4  
ace626's Avatar
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 97
Likes: 0
From: Rhode Island
Looks like blue smoke to me.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 11:24 AM
  #5  
Pele's Avatar
Right near Malloy
Tenured Member: 25 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (28)
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 7,855
Likes: 517
From: Behind a workbench, repairing FC Electronics.
How much oil are you going through between changes?
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 02:25 PM
  #6  
egplease's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: everywhere
Half a quart to 1 not too much smoke looks a bit more white than anything but I'm not loosing coolant at all no over heating and no lose of power....I don't get it

Thanks for the replys
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 02:37 PM
  #7  
nycgps's Avatar
PedoBear
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,431
Likes: 2
From: Bye NYC. you SUCKED!
your oil control o-ring is done.

see this pic. this is what my car was like, when I first got it, the smoke was something like "urs", but then it got worst and worst, up to the point that if I don't start my car in a week, holy mother load of smoke will come out and smoke the whole block (I'm not kidding)



the ring just fall apart in pieces, I didn't touch it, it just fell off like that. The metal ring it's actually still in spec (barely any wear in fact), it's just the rubber piece is done. I'm not sure about your engine but mine, the previous builder use the wrong/outdated type of rubber O-ring, it gets hard, cracked, and finally in pieces becomes completely useless.

Good thing is, This is a cheap and easy to fix (if this is ur problem)

bad thing is, it will still cost you a few hundred ASSUME you can do the labor yourself and you already have all the tools to do the job.
Attached Thumbnails sorry....but is my 7 dead?-06042011399s.jpg  
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 02:50 PM
  #8  
RotaryEvolution's Avatar
Sharp Claws
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,107
Likes: 50
From: Central Florida
Originally Posted by nycgps

the ring just fall apart in pieces, I didn't touch it, it just fell off like that. The metal ring it's actually still in spec (barely any wear in fact), it's just the rubber piece is done. I'm not sure about your engine but mine, the previous builder use the wrong/outdated type of rubber O-ring, it gets hard, cracked, and finally in pieces becomes completely useless.
actually the aftermarket viton seals are much more resilient than the OEM mazda oil seals, which are in fact what you have there, broken in about 20 pieces, 1 for every year of use. rubber doesn't last forever, especially at temps of 200*F.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 04:18 PM
  #9  
Zero10's Avatar
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 231
Likes: 1
From: Calgary, Alberta
What was the temperature where you live when this video was taken, and what does the smoke smell like?
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 06:00 PM
  #10  
nycgps's Avatar
PedoBear
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,431
Likes: 2
From: Bye NYC. you SUCKED!
Originally Posted by Karack
actually the aftermarket viton seals are much more resilient than the OEM mazda oil seals, which are in fact what you have there, broken in about 20 pieces, 1 for every year of use. rubber doesn't last forever, especially at temps of 200*F.
well, nothing last forever and those who used viton o rings swear that they last longer, no doubt about it bcuz the material is just better. The reason why i didnt use it bcuz the there might be fitment issue, and i hate popping seals in cuz the rings almost slice my hand last time lol.

Stock stuff is good enough for most people as long as they actually use the right part.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 09:22 PM
  #11  
RotaryEvolution's Avatar
Sharp Claws
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,107
Likes: 50
From: Central Florida
the vitons are a little more of a pain to work with but they are also reusable, if you plan on tearing down the motor periodically for racing applications.the OEMs square off in as little as 1k miles or a few warmup cycles.the OEM inners i almost feel are too thin for adequate sealing, although they work.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 10:48 PM
  #12  
egplease's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: everywhere
Drove the car tonight and no smoke at all just a bit of hard start the outside temp was high 60's
I've never worked on a rotory motor and have no tools :/
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 11:12 PM
  #13  
nycgps's Avatar
PedoBear
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,431
Likes: 2
From: Bye NYC. you SUCKED!
Originally Posted by egplease
Drove the car tonight and no smoke at all just a bit of hard start the outside temp was high 60's
I've never worked on a rotory motor and have no tools :/
No tools? hmm well if money is tight then just drive it till it's dead, then decide if you wanna keep the car or not.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 11:15 PM
  #14  
nycgps's Avatar
PedoBear
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,431
Likes: 2
From: Bye NYC. you SUCKED!
Originally Posted by Karack
the vitons are a little more of a pain to work with but they are also reusable, if you plan on tearing down the motor periodically for racing applications.the OEMs square off in as little as 1k miles or a few warmup cycles.the OEM inners i almost feel are too thin for adequate sealing, although they work.
agreed. I might give Viton rings a shot in my next rebuild. sometime next year I guess.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2011 | 11:17 PM
  #15  
Texas_Turbo7's Avatar
Think with your dipstick!
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: Garland, Tx
Have you had any flooding problems?
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2011 | 09:33 AM
  #16  
egplease's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: everywhere
Not that I'm aware as my car starts everytime just a bit rough....started it up this morning...no smoke at all lol
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2011 | 09:42 AM
  #17  
egplease's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: everywhere
i dont know...mony isnt the tightest...i make good money as a bartender...but between the top and now looking toward a motor rebuild...its kinda daunting as its only becoming a better base... might just give it a try getting rid of her :'(
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2011 | 10:14 AM
  #18  
RotaryEvolution's Avatar
Sharp Claws
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,107
Likes: 50
From: Central Florida
Originally Posted by egplease
i dont know...mony isnt the tightest...i make good money as a bartender...but between the top and now looking toward a motor rebuild...its kinda daunting as its only becoming a better base... might just give it a try getting rid of her :'(
don't feel bad, the n/a 7 is a dying breed mainly due to low resale value. turbo owners have less of a difficult time in the decision to build a new motor for their car because they can at least have more enjoyment from the car before taking the hit when selling the car. FDs are the only ones where you won't take it in the pants as badly when selling it. there is actually a few shops that deal exclusively in rebuilding FDs and selling them as rebuilt and they make a decent profit at it, no way that will ever work with FC or FBs.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
R.O.D
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
34
Jan 6, 2016 12:09 AM
imitek
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
9
Oct 18, 2015 03:35 PM
R.O.D
Rtek Forum
1
Sep 23, 2015 01:15 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:13 AM.