.Zero

I currently drive a 99 protege. i love the car but i want something different. I intend on staying with Mazda and i love the way rotaries sound and love the way a turbo'ed car feels.

My friend jeff has a turboII which he blew the motor in. the paint is a basic flat black with some ghey spray painted red strip down the middle. he wants to sale the car for 2,000 with the blown motor and everything on it. yeah it sounds like a bad deal but... but.. it has dual GReddy Exhuast w/ 3" downpipe. AVCR and a SAFC. ACT Clutch and a Blitz Turbo Timer. oh yeah and some Ghey Protege5 rims. but he traded the other wheels he had off for some cash so he is stuck with the p5 wheels and now it's sitting. He said he can have a new motor in it for $1,100 <--- new motor plus install. so $3,100 total

Does that sound good? i'm making payments on my Protege already and i would have another car payment but the payments shouldn't be very high. and i only have about a year and a half left on my protege.

evalutionr

yeah go for it, looks like a good idea, since the new motor looks like its an s5 and those other stuff he put into it. get it you won't regret it

ilike2eatricers

What year is the TII? Mileage on chassis? There arent any real "new" motors. He is probably talking about a jspec engine which is kinda luck of the draw. Unless he is talking about rebuilding it.

PoderRotativo

Yeah be carful with those Jspec engines I got mine installed two weeks ago and the engine came blown but luckly a had a start up warrenty. BuT It sounds like a good deal for 3k

.Zero

the motor that is blown in it is a jspec motor. what i think they did was over boosted it. my buddy said there was nothing done to it internally but it was running low 13 high 12s so thats my guess.

I figured i would put a motor in it now and then get the old one rebuilt or sent up to have it built

i believe the year of the car is an 87 with 103 some odd thousand miles. pretty low. my protege has 111k on it.

OverDriven

Well if its on the stock turbo, your buddy is full of BS. If its only got exhaust, then its running in the 14's. And he isn't going to be putting any new engine in for $1100. He can get a used j-spec for that price...but who knows how that has been treated. I would bargain, get the car for $1500, and rebuild the engine yourself.

-Joe

.Zero

he had some slip to proove what the car did but who knows *shrugs* i've seen 12b turbo motors going for like 750 which seemed really cheap to me but i've never been in the market for a rotary motor so i figured that maybe there cheap.

i suppose in the end if it's too much to get it up and going again i may not get it but if it's reasonable then i'll take it off his hands

is there somewhere i can seen the motor to have it rebuilt? everyone around here barely knows how to work on honda motors. there all about there v8s and big trucks

bigturbo

Yeah the 3k with a low mileage or rebuilt motor is a good deal witht he mods he claims. I would just go over and check out to see if the clutch and flywheel are aftermarket during the swap. As for the 12b turbo dont bother getting that it would be way to much work to make it fit in an FC. they come with the 13bt which is the motor you need. Engine rebuilds from the stealership are $$$$ and you will end up spending more than 1100. If this guy is willing to do the work to get it running I would go for that deal for 3100. You may be able to find a jspec motor just a few hundred cheaper but for the work to do the swap and tools needed I would let this guy do it for you.

Crashx7

Keep in mind that these cars don't hold their value terribly well, so don't expect to make back whatever money you put into it when you sell. Unless you can find someone who is willing to pay for the worth of the modifications, they don't affect the sale ("bluebook") value of the car. But we don't buy these cars for what they're worth, we own them because they're FUN. These are some of the most inexpensive modern pure sports cars that exist, and for the price, the fun-factor that these cars possess is unparalleled.

$1100 for a 13BT engine sounds like a j-spec price, and you never know the condition of the engine or how it was treated. Your best bet is to have a reputable engine builder rebuild a viable core for you. There's a lot of good rotary engine builders just on this forum. Search and you will find. I'll drop a few names for you anyway: Kevin Landers (Rotary Resurrection), Shane Smith (RotaryWorks), Brian Cain (BDC). Expect to pay at least $1300 (BARE minimum) to a typical $2200-$3000, depending on the parts and porting that you want.

I do think that $2000 is somewhat high for a FC with a blown engine. On the other hand, $3000 for the FC with the claimed mods AND a quality rebuilt engine installed (AND TUNED! You don't want to blow your brand new engine, and with the claimed mods tuning would be a must-do) would be a good deal. Definitely see if he will negotiate, because there's a lot of FC owners that find our cars exorbitantly cheap. Sometimes frustrated FC owners get desperate to sell.

If you're mechanically inclined, and have tools and ability (or willingness to learn hands-on) to work on a car, you'll save yourself some headaches and significant money with this car.

Good luck.

.Zero

Believe me guys i totaly understand what the re-sale value would be. a rotary car is totally 100% enthusiasts car, thats why i want one .

I guess the swap will just be a replacment motor and nothing special. i wont know what condition it will be in and it will be completely the luck of the draw really. I want to save the old motor so when i come up with some extra cash i could send it off to one of those places you mentioned. The guy said he seen the motors go for around 800 bucks and it would be around 300 in labor so thats were i got the 1100

I guess the next question would be whats a guess on the PSI I should run with the rx-7? I would like it to be quick but i would like it to not blow a seal on the first run.

And i suppose i'll give you an idea on how "mechanically inclined" i am. I was excited that I installed Tein springs on my protege all by myself lol But i'm really excited to get a chance to work on my car. Unfortunately nothing ever goes wrong with my car so i never get a chance. Damn you mazda!

[QUOTE=bigturbo]I would just go over and check out to see if the clutch and flywheel are aftermarket during the swap. QUOTE]

me and my friend that is saleing the car to me both go to the same shop and we both know the guy there that does the engine work personally. So i'll pretty much know everything about it i guess... on a external point of view.

Tomorrow i get to figure out how much insurance is going to be for this thing so thats one of the two deciding factors of me getting the rx-7. if not this one i'll get one eventualy. thanks for putting up with my endless questions.

Crashx7

Hope you get a good engine.

Answers to most of your questions will be found with the search button. To play it safe, run a stock boost level while you get a feel for the car and engine. Get it tuned on a dyno by someone who knows rotaries. Seriously. Rotaries can be very intolerant of mistakes. Get or make a FCD (search for fuel-cut defenser) and port the wastegate on the turbo as well--a boost controller can only make the boost go up, not down, and a boost spike (or boost creep) could kill your engine

Wish I could say the same. My Probe has been problematic, same with my old MX-6 (same f'n car!). My friend's 626 died completely, and my ex-gf's dad traded his RX-8 in for a Jeep because it stranded him numerous times (he probably flooded it! hehehe...)

I never had even CLOSE to as many problems with my last RX-7--the car that has a reputation for being problematic-- as I've had with the 6-platform (MX-6/626/Probe)-- lol.

Good luck in your rotary endeavors.

bigturbo

lol they say that the rx7 is problematic but I havent had too many problems. I have had a couple times where it wouldnt start but just dropped the clutch on a roll and it started fine. I think my injectors need cleaned/rebuilt

.Zero

yeah guys. My buddies Rx-7 is still sitting at his house. no motor. so i'm not interested.

today i seen another turboII driving around with a for sale sign on it. $1,800. I thought that was a good deal. it's in running condition (obviously). i went to talk to the guy that was saleing it and he was working on it. i got to look at it. everything inside seem to work. cept for the antenna but who cares about the radio. the seats had no rips so basicly the interior was in great condition for it's age. the paint was the original crap brown color, faded a little bit. Read the FAQ i guess thats a good sign. i havn't looked at the windows to see if there OEM. the engine bay was clean. didn't know any oil leaks but i just did a basic look over it.

the guy was working on it becuase he said the car wouldn't start. you can crank it and nothing. (flooded?) he said the only mechanical problem that he sees is that it doesnt want to start when it's hot. So..

tomorrow i'm going to check up on it. test drive it.

This is my list of things i'll check.

1. collant. fill it up completely and start it without the cap and look for "champange bubbles"
2. I'm going to have it compression checked. luckly there is a Mazda dealership 5 blocks away from my work.
3. do a more extensive look at the motor and see if i can see any oil leaks.
4. when i drive it look for smoke coming out. ya know.. other than the smoke that normaly comes out of rotaries.
5. see if any smoke comes out when the turbo is spooled.

please add to the list if i missed anything. oh yeah and it's completely stock. so i have a good chance no-one raised the boost on it

1990RXHeaven

Well I don't know a ton about turbo2s cuz I'm happy as punch with my NA. I do know RX-7s though and I say only buy a project FC that doesn't run if you have dependable other transportation and a shitload of extra cash or time to wait for it to run. Without lots of money, these cars can turn from a simple quick fix to years of work and if you have a rotarty heart and premix running through yor blood, then you prolly won't have the patience to wait if it's your first one. Go find a less expensive NA that runs and tune that up for a year or so. If you've still got turbo on your brain, then I'd say get it. But if you just want a fun ride in an RX7 turbo, spend the extra for an FD or find a T2 that atleast has a running engine.

Accessories are nice but don't let them sell the car!!! Only buy parts car for great stock parts, not aftermarket junk.

.Zero

yeah. i was kinda deterred from my friends rx-7. so i'm mainly looking at this new 100% stock turboII. I have a reliable car currently. i do have pateince. i'm under the assumption that the motor is just going to blow any time anyways. so i just figured it would be a good project car.

The Spyder

iTrader: (8)

Well if you want help hitup the NW section .
Im selling my TII btw... *end shamelss plug*

.Zero

yeah i was looking at your car. it looks good and if that were in my price rage i would for sure get it.

well i final drove the turbo 2. Runs smooth... well mostly. i believe it needs a new TPS two rear struts. there is oil leaking from the oil cooler line... which i would normaly freak out about oil leakage but i don't think they is very serious. lets see.. i notice the belts were starting to crack. so i should probably get new ones and i think the gas that is in it is very old regular gas. when i get into boost the boost gage doesn't go all the way up. i figured that maybe the bad gas is cuasing the ECU to restricit the boost but thats my guess. there is no smoke cept for the little bit of smoke when you start up but it's very little. even when i got on it. it didn't smoke.