Say goodbye to engine flooding!!!!
12-18-11, 07:56 PM
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Say goodbye to engine flooding!!!!
This weekend i was browsing trough car and driver magazine and I stumbled upon this spark-plug. Improved fuel economy and no more flooded starts. Imagine that a mini lightning strike each time it firers.
Hope this becomes available to regular consumer and it doesn't need additional equipment to operate it.
Hope this becomes available to regular consumer and it doesn't need additional equipment to operate it.
12-19-11, 08:39 PM
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This product is still in the making by Federal Mogul, they could make it for RE but it would need to be a huge group buy. Maybe eventually when the technology hits the market it'll turn into a simple replacement part at $50 a pop.
12-19-11, 09:08 PM
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if it stops flooding every one would buy it ...but replacing them everyone would go broke
and it has not solved why it floods in the first place
but i appreciate the thought
and it has not solved why it floods in the first place
but i appreciate the thought
12-20-11, 10:21 AM
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anyone remember splitfire plugs?
thought not.
no offense but you're an idiot if you think it will really solve flooding issues. even the much more advanced RX8 with $30 iridium plugs still flood as i had to deflood one just the other day, it also only had 66k miles.. there is no magic spark plug that can combust puddled non atomized fuel efficiently with lacking compression to back it up.
the only way to cure flooding issues with a rotary is a super starter that can spin the motor at 500-750RPMs during cranking.
thought not.
no offense but you're an idiot if you think it will really solve flooding issues. even the much more advanced RX8 with $30 iridium plugs still flood as i had to deflood one just the other day, it also only had 66k miles.. there is no magic spark plug that can combust puddled non atomized fuel efficiently with lacking compression to back it up.
the only way to cure flooding issues with a rotary is a super starter that can spin the motor at 500-750RPMs during cranking.
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12-20-11, 01:51 PM
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I remember Splitfires well...they were the inspiration for a friend of my Dad, who thought he could do even better.
Ultimately, he drilled tiny holes through the electrode and claimed huge improvements in mileage and power, all based on seat of the pants experience in his personal AMC Eagle.
He pressed me pretty hard to install some in my car (as a beta tester!) but I always demurred...mainly because he drove an Eagle and thus, how smart could he be?
He passed away soon thereafter- possibly assassinated by an operative of NGK's Black Ops division- and that was the end of that.
I picture his plugs sitting next to the "100MPG" carbueretor on a dusty shelf in a secret warehouse somewhere...very Indiana Jones.
Ultimately, he drilled tiny holes through the electrode and claimed huge improvements in mileage and power, all based on seat of the pants experience in his personal AMC Eagle.
He pressed me pretty hard to install some in my car (as a beta tester!) but I always demurred...mainly because he drove an Eagle and thus, how smart could he be?
He passed away soon thereafter- possibly assassinated by an operative of NGK's Black Ops division- and that was the end of that.
I picture his plugs sitting next to the "100MPG" carbueretor on a dusty shelf in a secret warehouse somewhere...very Indiana Jones.
12-20-11, 01:57 PM
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I remember Splitfires well...they were the inspiration for a friend of my Dad, who thought he could do even better.
Ultimately, he drilled tiny holes through the electrode and claimed huge improvements in mileage and power, all based on seat of the pants experience in his personal AMC Eagle.
He pressed me pretty hard to install some in my car (as a beta tester!) but I always demurred...mainly because he drove an Eagle and thus, how smart could he be?
He passed away soon thereafter- possibly assassinated by an operative of NGK's Black Ops division- and that was the end of that.
I picture his plugs sitting next to the "100MPG" carbueretor on a dusty shelf in a secret warehouse somewhere...very Indiana Jones.
Ultimately, he drilled tiny holes through the electrode and claimed huge improvements in mileage and power, all based on seat of the pants experience in his personal AMC Eagle.
He pressed me pretty hard to install some in my car (as a beta tester!) but I always demurred...mainly because he drove an Eagle and thus, how smart could he be?
He passed away soon thereafter- possibly assassinated by an operative of NGK's Black Ops division- and that was the end of that.
I picture his plugs sitting next to the "100MPG" carbueretor on a dusty shelf in a secret warehouse somewhere...very Indiana Jones.
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12-21-11, 12:33 PM
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no offense but you're an idiot if you think it will really solve flooding issues. even the much more advanced RX8 with $30 iridium plugs still flood as i had to deflood one just the other day, it also only had 66k miles.. there is no magic spark plug that can combust puddled non atomized fuel efficiently with lacking compression to back it up.
It will not keep the ECU from flooding the engine. Fuel will not burn without enough oxygen, regardless of the spark source.
Granted it is not a proper way to fix the rotary "flooding issue" (usually poor cranking compression and fouled spark plugs in my opinion) but it would DEFINITELY help flooded engines start and would keep you from having to replace spark plugs constantly if are trying to get a stronger spark with current available technology.
If the motor isn't totally hydrolocked you have some air in there around the spark plugs and if you can get it and the fuel hot enough something is going to happen.
My experiences with a Crane Hi-6 and LX92 coil on each leading plug.
Didn't disable ignition on fresh rebuild (fuel pump fuse out and injector drivers disabled) and on 1st cranking to build oil pressure the engine starts, stumbles and dies on engine assembly lube (sticky grease and 90wt oil).
720cc primary stuck open due to pintle cap pinched on install on another rebuild. Engine starts and runs poorly. Shut off engine and fuel leaks out of wastegate till fuel pressure drops. Exhaust manifold and turbo full of fuel clue me into the cause.
Tuning. No power is gained on the dyno decreasing AFRs from 11:1 and only slight gains from decreasing from 9:1 to 11:1.
Great, but have to replace leading spark plugs about once a week if daily driving/racing as it wears the ground very quickly. Ionic discharge plugs would fix this (or going back to a reasonable ignition system-yes, I know).
Ionic discharge plugs (and modern materials) could also help implement the DKM type Wankel which was much favored by Felix Wankel.
Don't down the original poster so hard, but rather dream up your own implementation of this technology if you don't like his.
12-21-11, 12:41 PM
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Pfft, your Ion-cannon spark plugs don't have anything on laser ignition.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar...llCars/257852/
http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar...llCars/257852/
12-21-11, 03:27 PM
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no offense but you're an idiot if you think it will really solve flooding issues. even the much more advanced RX8 with $30 iridium plugs still flood as i had to deflood one just the other day, it also only had 66k miles.. there is no magic spark plug that can combust puddled non atomized fuel efficiently with lacking compression to back it up.
It will not keep the ECU from flooding the engine. Fuel will not burn without enough oxygen, regardless of the spark source.
Granted it is not a proper way to fix the rotary "flooding issue" (usually poor cranking compression and fouled spark plugs in my opinion) but it would DEFINITELY help flooded engines start and would keep you from having to replace spark plugs constantly if are trying to get a stronger spark with current available technology.
If the motor isn't totally hydrolocked you have some air in there around the spark plugs and if you can get it and the fuel hot enough something is going to happen.
My experiences with a Crane Hi-6 and LX92 coil on each leading plug.
Didn't disable ignition on fresh rebuild (fuel pump fuse out and injector drivers disabled) and on 1st cranking to build oil pressure the engine starts, stumbles and dies on engine assembly lube (sticky grease and 90wt oil).
720cc primary stuck open due to pintle cap pinched on install on another rebuild. Engine starts and runs poorly. Shut off engine and fuel leaks out of wastegate till fuel pressure drops. Exhaust manifold and turbo full of fuel clue me into the cause.
Tuning. No power is gained on the dyno decreasing AFRs from 11:1 and only slight gains from decreasing from 9:1 to 11:1.
Great, but have to replace leading spark plugs about once a week if daily driving/racing as it wears the ground very quickly. Ionic discharge plugs would fix this (or going back to a reasonable ignition system-yes, I know).
Ionic discharge plugs (and modern materials) could also help implement the DKM type Wankel which was much favored by Felix Wankel.
Don't down the original poster so hard, but rather dream up your own implementation of this technology if you don't like his.
12-21-11, 05:51 PM
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no offense but you're an idiot if you think it will really solve flooding issues. even the much more advanced RX8 with $30 iridium plugs still flood as i had to deflood one just the other day, it also only had 66k miles.. there is no magic spark plug that can combust puddled non atomized fuel efficiently with lacking compression to back it up.
we both know that flooding issues are caused by something way out of wack, like puddling fuel due to a stuck injector or leaking when the engine is shut off or lack of compression. plugs won't really help much in either case even if they somehow managed to push the rotor around along with the weak ignition pulse they may have to offer with those conditions.
So which is it?
Did you "deflood" the RX-8 or rebuild the engine for proper compression so it would start?
we both know that flooding issues are caused by something way out of wack, like puddling fuel due to a stuck injector or leaking when the engine is shut off or lack of compression. plugs won't really help much in either case even if they somehow managed to push the rotor around along with the weak ignition pulse they may have to offer with those conditions.
So which is it?
Did you "deflood" the RX-8 or rebuild the engine for proper compression so it would start?
12-21-11, 05:56 PM
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no offense but you're an idiot if you think it will really solve flooding issues. even the much more advanced RX8 with $30 iridium plugs still flood as i had to deflood one just the other day, it also only had 66k miles.. there is no magic spark plug that can combust puddled non atomized fuel efficiently with lacking compression to back it up.
we both know that flooding issues are caused by something way out of wack, like puddling fuel due to a stuck injector or leaking when the engine is shut off or lack of compression. plugs won't really help much in either case even if they somehow managed to push the rotor around along with the weak ignition pulse they may have to offer with those conditions.
So which is it?
Did you "deflood" the RX-8 or rebuild the engine for proper compression so it would start?
we both know that flooding issues are caused by something way out of wack, like puddling fuel due to a stuck injector or leaking when the engine is shut off or lack of compression. plugs won't really help much in either case even if they somehow managed to push the rotor around along with the weak ignition pulse they may have to offer with those conditions.
So which is it?
Did you "deflood" the RX-8 or rebuild the engine for proper compression so it would start?
if i'm wrong and they do make these miracle plugs and they do work, i will eat my words.
many manufacturers have tried in the past and made exorbitant claims that fell far short. back when i was doing mobile auto repair before this i had someone with a service call, i cranked the engine and it sounded flat and random. i pulled the plugs and found he was using some Bosch quad spark plugs, i forget the actual name of the plugs. long story sort 2 or 3 of the contact arms broke away from the plug due to failed welds. the engine ate the bits of metal and spat them out bending the valves on their way out. think Bosch bought him a new motor? i doubt he even tried. perhaps they would have unless they were having many many claims of a similar nature. unfortunately i had to leave him there with a dead car, away from home, due to shotty workmanship for that plug manufacturer to make a quick buck.
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12-21-11, 05:59 PM
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http://www.knite.com/tech/ksi.aspx
I found this that looks interesting.
It uses electronics to control the spark much like a "peak and hold" fuel injector driver.
First it uses conventional high voltage to bridge the gap and then it uses lower voltage high current to create a larger arc and the plug shape moves the arc to decrease wear and expose more mixture to the arc.
I found this that looks interesting.
It uses electronics to control the spark much like a "peak and hold" fuel injector driver.
First it uses conventional high voltage to bridge the gap and then it uses lower voltage high current to create a larger arc and the plug shape moves the arc to decrease wear and expose more mixture to the arc.
12-21-11, 06:17 PM
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added oil to the intake to offset the low compression. it would have likely burned up the starter before actually firing up. in most cases this is exactly what is needed. can possibly get a fuel washed low compression rotary to kick over with pull starting but there is no easy answer to these touchy engines.
Yes, I understand this deflooding proceedure as I have had to use it on engines that were flat worn out/broken and left me stranded.
Easiest to start rotary I ever owned should have had really poor compression from hugely chrome flaked housings but luckily leaked oil into the intake on shut down. Huge smoke screen on first start up of the day.
I am also telling you from experience that a very strong ignition system also lowers the compression required to start combustion. It will create larger arc with wet plugs as well.
A hot ignition system (switched down after cranking to mitigate wear) and oil injection system using the stock oil injectors would be a godsend to RX-8 owners who get sacked out sideseal springs that make the car hard to start.
Yes, I understand this deflooding proceedure as I have had to use it on engines that were flat worn out/broken and left me stranded.
Easiest to start rotary I ever owned should have had really poor compression from hugely chrome flaked housings but luckily leaked oil into the intake on shut down. Huge smoke screen on first start up of the day.
I am also telling you from experience that a very strong ignition system also lowers the compression required to start combustion. It will create larger arc with wet plugs as well.
A hot ignition system (switched down after cranking to mitigate wear) and oil injection system using the stock oil injectors would be a godsend to RX-8 owners who get sacked out sideseal springs that make the car hard to start.
12-21-11, 09:15 PM
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Thanks BLUE TII for the earlier post. I started this post to more or less list the new unique technology that coming out. As for Mr kraken I listed the heading just to bring curiosity in and not to be called names.