2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.
Sponsored by:

premixing question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-09-14, 10:26 PM
  #26  
Senior Member

iTrader: (17)
 
Snaple07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sioux Falls, SD
Posts: 393
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Maxima 927 castor 2 cycle oil.

In the midwest (Sioux Falls SD) I can get 64oz of this stuff for $36.99

- Is there a better/inexpensive alternative E85 premix?

I run 1oz per gallon of E85, OMP blocked and deleted.

I check my spark plugs every 2 weeks (I am very **** about this, because I spent 5 years building this ride before finally being able to drive it for the first time) and have noticed quite a bit of carbon built up on the spark plugs themselves. I take a brass brush and some mineral spirits to the plugs and scrub away till I see shiny metal and then grab some anti-seize for the threads and Di-electric grease for the terminal, then back in it goes. Never had my plugs fail on me. From my understanding of the fuel E85 has 33% less energy content than 100% gasoline, so during the tuning of the fuel map, extra fuel is being injected to compensate.

This would also mean that more premix is being injected right? Would 1 oz for every gallon of E85 be too much or just fine?

Since my spark plugs are in that condition, should I expect my combustion chamber (rotor/apex seals/housing) to be in a similar state of carbon scaling? Is that to be expected...


Thanks,


MK
Old 01-09-14, 10:46 PM
  #27  
Retired Moderator, RIP

iTrader: (142)
 
misterstyx69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Smiths Falls.(near Ottawa!.Mapquest IT!)
Posts: 25,581
Likes: 0
Received 131 Likes on 114 Posts
I run with 50% Whiskey and 50% Cola ..and my Wife sounds better...
Old 01-09-14, 10:57 PM
  #28  
Spinning Dorito
iTrader: (11)
 
rxmiles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Boulder, Colorado
Posts: 405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Can the OMP be modified to pump premix out of a remote reservoir instead of motor oil?
Old 01-09-14, 11:37 PM
  #29  
Lives on the Forum

iTrader: (8)
 
RotaryResurrection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Morristown, TN (east of Knoxville)
Posts: 11,576
Received 25 Likes on 18 Posts
Originally Posted by rxmiles
Can the OMP be modified to pump premix out of a remote reservoir instead of motor oil?
It can. But then you are still not getting the benefit of premix.

You would be relying on a pump/metering device that you cannot directly control and that could be working at much less than 100% of spec.

You would be relying on lines that may be old and ready to break, or may be partially clogged.

You would be replying on injectors which may be internally clogged or may have bad check valves in them reducing or stopping flow.

You would be relying on drilled injection holes in the rotor housings that may be clogged with carbon. It is OFTEN overlooked during DIY rebuilds (or even mazda remans etc.) that these holes do clog up with carbon so that NO oil can get through. I always drill the holes back out to the correct size with a tiny bit, and you would be surprised exactly how much crap is stuck in them and how hard it is to clean them out.

Finally you are relying in stationary injection points which may not be ideal, and certainly do not evenly distribute the oil across all the surfaces and seals in the engine. In the FC you have one in the center of each rotor housing, but it does not reach out to the edges of the seals and housings. Then you have one in each primary intake runner, presumably to help with the intermediate iron walls, corner seals and side seals. But what about the secondary runners, front and rear iron faces and seals on those rotor sides? There is nothing there. So of course you are going to get uneven lubrication using the stock OMP system.

That system is a compromise at best. You can doctor it all you want but it will never be as good as premix sprayed in with fuel evenly via all 4 intake ports, increasing and decreasing quickly and appropriately with rpm and throttle/load, being sprayed in via a fine mist to evenly coat as many surfaces and seals as is possible, and directly user controllable based on the conditions they plan to run the car in during the coming tank of fuel. You can buy a gallon jug at walmart for 13 bucks which will last 10+ tank fulls, thus it's cost is less than $2 per tank. It requires no more than 1-2 minutes per tank full to execute. IT is so elegant it's stupid, and yet people resist it so much.

Last edited by RotaryResurrection; 01-09-14 at 11:39 PM.
Old 01-10-14, 12:14 AM
  #30  
Full Member

iTrader: (7)
 
rusty FC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Brandon, MS
Posts: 152
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
my omp quit working a few years ago (i check my oil every time i drive it and this one time it did not use any. i thought, this is not good). so i have been running 1.5 oz per gallon and 2 oz per gal when i autox it.
Old 01-10-14, 03:22 AM
  #31  
Full Member
 
this Nissan sounds funny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Japan
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Superduty as in Ford pickup truck?
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
stickmantijuana
20B Forum
21
03-22-22 01:00 PM
_Tones_
Adaptronic Engine Mgmt - AUS
10
05-25-21 05:37 AM
stickmantijuana
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
13
01-09-18 11:19 AM
Frox
New Member RX-7 Technical
72
10-22-15 04:54 PM



Quick Reply: premixing question



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:37 AM.