Premix potential problem?
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Premix potential problem?
Ok, I may be thinking about this a little too much/hard, but I was just wondering, when you premix, and let's say you add 1 oz premix to 1 gallon of gas, even if you're dead on accurate, and do not over add the premix, wouldn't you end up with an increasing amount of premix?
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Ok. Say you just started premixing, you go to the gas station to fill up, say 13 gallons, and you add 13 oz of premix, everything good. Ratio correct, everything a-ok. Next time you go fill up, same thing, 13 gallons to 13 oz. However, consider this: whatever's left in your gas tank is ALREADY premixed. While this doesn't sound like much, eventually, wouldn't whatever remaining gas in your gas tank get increasingly more saturated with premix?
Maybe not a real problem with people who always fill up when the low fuel light comes on, but what about the people that like to keep the tank topped up?
I know, I must be bored out of my freaking mind for thinking about this, truth is, I am, haha.
Just thinking out loud, any thoughts anyone?
Not clear enough?
Ok. Say you just started premixing, you go to the gas station to fill up, say 13 gallons, and you add 13 oz of premix, everything good. Ratio correct, everything a-ok. Next time you go fill up, same thing, 13 gallons to 13 oz. However, consider this: whatever's left in your gas tank is ALREADY premixed. While this doesn't sound like much, eventually, wouldn't whatever remaining gas in your gas tank get increasingly more saturated with premix?
Maybe not a real problem with people who always fill up when the low fuel light comes on, but what about the people that like to keep the tank topped up?
I know, I must be bored out of my freaking mind for thinking about this, truth is, I am, haha.
Just thinking out loud, any thoughts anyone?
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if the ratio you put in is always 100:1 or 150:1.. it will stay at the ratio... MATH!!! WOO HOOO
if you have it half full of premix, and you fill it the rest of the way, that means you would put in HALF the amount of oil you would if you were filling the whole tank.
weird how things tend to amke sense like that
if the ratio you put in is always 100:1 or 150:1.. it will stay at the ratio... MATH!!! WOO HOOO
if you have it half full of premix, and you fill it the rest of the way, that means you would put in HALF the amount of oil you would if you were filling the whole tank.
weird how things tend to amke sense like that
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Yup, as long as you are always putting in a constant mixture of 100:1 it will remain 100:1 in the tank.
The only time this is false is when you first start pre-mixing which is why it's always recommended to go ~150:1 on the first tank to make up for the extra fuel in the equation.
The only time this is false is when you first start pre-mixing which is why it's always recommended to go ~150:1 on the first tank to make up for the extra fuel in the equation.
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...94% correct.
When to put the premix in it disipates into the gasoline. It mixes. the two do not seperate or anything. It's like coolaid...once you put the little package of stuff in there, it's there to stay.
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Here's the scary thing.
You always hear " 1 OZ of 2-stroke oil to every 1 gal of fuel " to achieve a ratio of 126/128: 1. I don't know how that ever got started but it shouldn't at all be the "rule" Different manufactures require different amounts of oil to achieve a certain ratio What's good for one manufacture doesn't at all apply to another. Some oils are thicker & more concentrated. Thus, using the standard 126/128:1 (1 OZ to 1 gal) ratio way of measuring it will cause of overly or under rich mixture, depending on the oil used.
Now to freak at the matter a little more. Different manufactures suggest using a different ratio when using their oils. Say you normally mix @ 50:1 but many companies will suggest that you lean it out to 100-1 with their oil because it's that much better and doesn't require as much to achieve the same protection.
The point is, there is no set amount of OZ's to add to 1 gal of gas. The proper mix all depends on the oil used.
You always hear " 1 OZ of 2-stroke oil to every 1 gal of fuel " to achieve a ratio of 126/128: 1. I don't know how that ever got started but it shouldn't at all be the "rule" Different manufactures require different amounts of oil to achieve a certain ratio What's good for one manufacture doesn't at all apply to another. Some oils are thicker & more concentrated. Thus, using the standard 126/128:1 (1 OZ to 1 gal) ratio way of measuring it will cause of overly or under rich mixture, depending on the oil used.
Now to freak at the matter a little more. Different manufactures suggest using a different ratio when using their oils. Say you normally mix @ 50:1 but many companies will suggest that you lean it out to 100-1 with their oil because it's that much better and doesn't require as much to achieve the same protection.
The point is, there is no set amount of OZ's to add to 1 gal of gas. The proper mix all depends on the oil used.
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Originally Posted by ProjectRESuperG
Ok. Say you just started premixing, you go to the gas station to fill up, say 13 gallons, and you add 13 oz of premix, everything good. Ratio correct, everything a-ok. Next time you go fill up, same thing, 13 gallons to 13 oz. However, consider this: whatever's left in your gas tank is ALREADY premixed. While this doesn't sound like much, eventually, wouldn't whatever remaining gas in your gas tank get increasingly more saturated with premix?
There are other factors. 1 Cheap oil doesn't stay suspended as well and 2, if the car sits for a long time, the gas will evaporate, leaving behind the oil. In this sense, it will effect the ratio.
Variables aside, you won't create a leaner or richer mix, if you add an equal amount each time. It won't change. No matter how many times you do it.
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1) Look at the bottle - most brands will tell you consult your (whatever is using the pre-mix insert here) for proper ratios. Sure, viscosity isn't the same, but I think the major brands all shoot for very similar ratios when engineering their chemicals. Ratios do not vary much when looking from brand to brand.
2) Unless you drop the ratios down to under 50:1, you can't tell the difference. If anything, I would worry about NOT ENOUGH pre-mix. If you work out the numbers from what Mazda uses for the OMP, I think it comes out to something like 300:1 to 400:1 range. Since we're a lot "richer" than that, I wouldn't worry about not enough pre-mix.
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2) Unless you drop the ratios down to under 50:1, you can't tell the difference. If anything, I would worry about NOT ENOUGH pre-mix. If you work out the numbers from what Mazda uses for the OMP, I think it comes out to something like 300:1 to 400:1 range. Since we're a lot "richer" than that, I wouldn't worry about not enough pre-mix.
-Ted
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Idemitsu sugests to use half ounce of premix fer gallon. Now what is confusing is if we can not use synthetic oil in our cars why is it ok to put synthetic premix. Idemitsu is synthetic. I have not been able to find the premixes that were recomende by everyone so I'm using castrol synthetic premix. Here is a pic.
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Originally Posted by redlineracer
Now what is confusing is if we can not use synthetic oil in our cars why is it ok to put synthetic premix.
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Originally Posted by redlineracer
Idemitsu sugests to use half ounce of premix fer gallon. Now what is confusing is if we can not use synthetic oil in our cars why is it ok to put synthetic premix. Idemitsu is synthetic. I have not been able to find the premixes that were recomende by everyone so I'm using castrol synthetic premix. Here is a pic.
The problem with synthetic motor oils is that many of them leave ash deposits and are not designed for combustion. The synthetic two-cycles are formulated not to ash and are therefor ok.
I've never tried synthetic two-cycle, I've just been getting the Walmart brand TCW-3 certified stuff in the big jugs and it smells alot less and the engine is running just as smooth as it was with the more expensive Castrol TCW-3 I was using.
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Originally Posted by WannaSeeMyWankel
can you put too much oil? could this cause any starting/running problems?
I've ran it on the heavy side when I first switched over off the OMP just to be sure and because I decided the best way to find out what it likes is to start heavy and thin it out until it stopped smelling like a chainsaw and ran nicely and found that 100:1 seems to work well with mine.
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What if you ran the omp off of a seperate tank (not crankcase) and used ahigh quality 2-cycle oil?
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I meant high quality synthetic 2-cycle.
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The exhaust tends to smoke when you run around 50:1 ratios or "richer".
You gotta be kinda crazy to run lower ratios???
I mean dumping a whole quart into a full tank would barely reach this 50:1 ratio...
Are you planning on dumping a whole gallon of this stuff into your tank?
-Ted
You gotta be kinda crazy to run lower ratios???
I mean dumping a whole quart into a full tank would barely reach this 50:1 ratio...
Are you planning on dumping a whole gallon of this stuff into your tank?
-Ted
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