2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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I'm not sure about a light engine oil being able to lubricate better than a marine oil. TCW3 is Marine oil and it is designed to lubricate at a much higher duty cylce than a weed-whacker or a chainsaw. The water is always trying to slow you down. Think about how most boats cruise; 3/4 throttle 1/2 rpms, LOTS of load and that is where bearing wear happens. My personal preference would be to go for the marine oil.

FWIW - as thread starter, I think you can close the thread yourself
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 06:54 AM
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I can't believe you are still going on TT.

I don't post on team specifically due to this reason.

You wont be able to find pics of my exhaust.

He actually told someone to keep stacking wheel spacers ontop of each other
Never ever ever said this. I told him to try wheel spacers till he found the right size he needed since he didn't know what size to get.

Sorry TT but you are far out of line. Sorry to everyone that has to read his posts that has nothing to do with this thread.

Im sure this thread will be closed and put next to the 5 others that have had to be closed because of you TT
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 08:29 AM
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OK I'm no expert but I will add my .02

on my 86 n/a with minimal mods I am using 2 cycle in the tank (ONLY TCW3 cert) I use 1/2oz 2 cycle per 1 gallon of gas.

my omp is not functional that I know of. I have not tested it but I always drive my car hard and use no oil.

I also use ELF 10w50 in the oil pan, it is the only synthetic oil that has a WRITEN approval from mazda to use in the rotary engine ( i have the documentation)

I hear all the time of 1oz per 1 gallon I dont think it is over kill as long as you dont have your omp hooked up if u are using it for safety/percautions then 1/2 oz per gallon seems sufficient.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RotaMan99
I can't believe you are still going on TT.
Of course, you never apologized for calling me a whiny ***** bitch after that favor I did for you.

Originally Posted by RotaMan99
I don't post on team specifically due to this reason.
Good, then we have an understanding, I'll leave you alone here then. Seriously, unless you start calling me names again and questioning the validity of my experience or the quality of my work.

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You wont be able to find pics of my exhaust.
Embarrased I guess, I can get them. Nismo saved them.

[QUOTE=RotaMan99]Never ever ever said this. I told him to try wheel spacers till he found the right size he needed since he didn't know what size to get.

Nope, liar. You told him to keep stacking them. Thats dangerous.
http://forum.teamfc3s.org/showpost.p...3&postcount=15

[QUOTE=RotaMan99]Sorry TT but you are far out of line. Sorry to everyone that has to read his posts that has nothing to do with this thread.

Nah, I just don't let things go to easily. & I did contribute to this thread with my 15+ years of marine 2-stroke pre-mix/oil injected experience.

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Im sure this thread will be closed and put next to the 5 others that have had to be closed because of you TT
Take some responsibilty, you contributed to them being closed as well and you are soley to blame for the hatred I have for you Except I didn't get banned from TeamFC3S as you did how many times? Under how many names? If you've found a home here, so be it. As I said before, I'll let it go unless you start calling me names again, questioning the validity of my experience, or the quality of my work.



1/2 oz:1 gallon is 256:1. Marine Outboards under WOT mix @ ~50-100:1 and under idle are about 200:1. However, they have bearings to lubricate not just seals. I think, and many builders say as well, that under normal conditions, 256:1 sufficient. Now if you were racing, I waould add a little more. Think about the amount of oil that the OMP injects. I did the math above, it was way less than that under most circumstances. Not to mention that the 2-stroke will give better lubrication in the envirornment that it's in. My theory/proof anyway.

I am curious about the grading of 2-strokes though. TCW3 etc, lubrication vs burn etc. It was my understanding that TCW3 was one of the higher ratings which was why I was just going to use the Quicksilver Plus 2-stroke that I have gallons of for my boat.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 09:43 AM
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Of course, you never apologized for calling me a whiny ***** bitch after that favor I did for you.
Your absolutly right. That was wrong of me.
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Old Apr 13, 2007 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT
I'm not sure about a light engine oil being able to lubricate better than a marine oil. TCW3 is Marine oil and it is designed to lubricate at a much higher duty cylce than a weed-whacker or a chainsaw. The water is always trying to slow you down. Think about how most boats cruise; 3/4 throttle 1/2 rpms, LOTS of load and that is where bearing wear happens. My personal preference would be to go for the marine oil.

FWIW - as thread starter, I think you can close the thread yourself
You sir are mistaken. Air cooled engines run at much higher temp than marine engines. They withstand much more abuse as well. running at full throttle when used. These are engines that run 15,000 rpm or more. At these kind of speeds, massive amounts of heat is being generated.

FWIW I have seen MANY failures in the last 14 years due to using TCw3 in handheld power equipment.
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Old Apr 13, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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Interesting...... Experience is ALWAYS good, thanks. I'm wondering though.... we are talking about two very different applications. The Apex seals aren't traveling nearly as fast as a rod or crank @ 15,000, and we have water-cooled engines as do O/B's so the temps are very different. As are the loads.... I would think that the load on a main bearing in a weed-whacker for example would not be nearly as severe as the load in a 300HP V6 Merc spinning ~ 6,000 rpm. I think there is a big differece in application and wondering how in side by side tests, the two stand up.... or if there is a grading system associated with 2-strokes that can be deciphered.
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