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Power band, What is yours (high HP NA Only)

Old Oct 12, 2007 | 11:09 PM
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Power band, What is yours (high HP NA Only)

I am building my S4 NA this winter. What is your power band on streetport? Big streetport? Bridge port? I am a piston engine guy. I like torque. I know rotarys and torque do not go together, that is why I want to know power band, so I can know how much to port it. Don't worry I am not a dumb noob. I have built porsche 911 engines for the last 8 years. I want some intelligent answers. Please help!
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 12:26 AM
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I've got a moderate streetport on mine. I never drove it stock to compare it, but I don't have any problems at all with the powerband...and when i raced a stock s4 with it I won by a lot.

1-3K is dead, good for cruising only. 3-4K it is starting to wake up and be responsive, but doesn't feel powerful. After 4K the power rises strongly up to about 6K and holds to 7.

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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 02:15 AM
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stock port S5 NA with tune

3k starts to get responsive

power from 5.5k to 7.5k
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 03:00 AM
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I have a mild streetport and there is basically nothing below 3k but once you hit 3.5k-4k the car screams.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 04:06 AM
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I put 172rwhp to the wheels with s4 rotors and manifolds and the car really like the 5 to 7k range. that is with a streetport, header, and other stuff
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 07:08 AM
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that is not a bad as I thought. Mine shuts down at 6500. Anyway to get rid of the pesky rev limiter?
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 07:20 AM
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N/A FCs are rev limited at 6500RPMs? I thought their redline was around 8k?
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 10:27 AM
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Stock redline is 7k for s4 , 8k for s5 (and 7k for all turbos). The rev limiter is around 8.5k on both models. Anything higher than that and you need a flywheel scatter shield.

As for the power band, there is enough power for regular driving below 3k. Its not like a big V-8, but its still reasonable. It picks up around 3.5-4k and goes to about 6-6.5k stock, and a good port job will extend the range about 1k. If you use the s5 manifold it also extends the power range about 1k, so 7-7.5k stock, 8k+ with a street port.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 12:20 PM
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So if mine is cutting out at 6500, I have a running issue correct? I have not checked the plugs, wires look new. Never checked the timing. The car runs like a raped ape till then.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 12:51 PM
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It's a possibility. I'd check everything, just to make sure. BTW, any pics of your car?
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 05:06 PM
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Well, I got rid of my upper RPM miss. The p.o. put a walbro race pump in it, and left the stock fpr. So I got an ebay fpr and it runs fantastic. I can now set off the buzzer to tell me to shift. I still have the obligatory 3800 miss, but I am going to take care of that tomorrow and re-ground the ecu. I found out something else though. As soon as I hit 6500 it turns into a fog machine. Blue oil-filled smoke. It doesn't smoke any other time, so that sucks. I was planning on rebuilding it this winter anyways. Oh yeah here is some pics. Don't tell me the front end is wasted, I already know.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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wow, what happened to the front end?
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 05:31 PM
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I have power til about 7600 according to the butt dyno, this is not just one run, this is months worth of feeling and making minor adjustments to the SAFC and timing. Power sometimes drops off at 6000. I have to figure out why.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 07:27 PM
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The p.o. parked it on a hill and did not set the parking brake. It jumped out of gear and went down a big hill and went through a city park, then wedged itself between a couple of trees. It went about a mile on its own (good alignment) and missed all the big trees. I would of loved to see it, just to see an rx-7 driving itself. Anyways, thats what happened.

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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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^ haha thats funny. Took me a minute but after a bit I started laughing.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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Are those mustang rims on that???
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 01:40 AM
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i like the mustang rims, it looks good like that, fix the front and port it, then you'll be good.

BTW, Ive got an S5 vert with the VDI, and it makes power from 4800-7200 about. All stock with the exception of a K&N drop in.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 07:15 AM
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my car has some decent power from about 2.5k and is a beast around 4-7k. rarely go over 7k cos i'm way over the speed limit
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 10:02 AM
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Are those mustang rims on that???
At least its not a convertible. I mean it would be fine if I had a boyfriend.... I'm sure he would love it.

for siguy2k

for everyone else. Keep up all the good info and ideas. Thanks.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 10:03 AM
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 10:21 AM
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That is a nice flat torque curve! Love it! What are the mods?
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 08:21 PM
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how come only three people posted on your thread?
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Old Oct 15, 2007 | 12:04 AM
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WTF?! Why do you have such a problem with people using inexpensive, good looking, perfectly fitting wide 17" wheels?!

They're 17x8's, which is a pretty nice size for fitting decent rubber under the FC, they're the perfect 30mm offset for that size, they're not too heavy at about 20lbs (not bad for street use), they're cheap, they're readily available, they're durable, and I think they look pretty good. Without the center caps most people don't even realise that they're Mustang wheels. In fact I've even had to tell Mustang owners that that's what they are. Lots of FC owners use them, including me. So please shut up before you go and get yourself banned.
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Old Oct 15, 2007 | 07:34 AM
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I picked up my car for $300. It runs and drives just fine. I didn't have to spend a bunch of money to have fun. Hence the PBR mod. Is it a mod? No. Is it funny? Yes. I am having fun with my car. Not trying to get brownie points from the gods of rx-7s. I buy my cars cheap, fix em' up and drive the **** out of them. Here are some of my previous cars, and you can decide if I am a ricer. Actually I could care less what Mr SI thinks and here they are.
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Old Oct 15, 2007 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Black91n/a
WTF?! Why do you have such a problem with people using inexpensive, good looking, perfectly fitting wide 17" wheels?!

They're 17x8's, which is a pretty nice size for fitting decent rubber under the FC, they're the perfect 30mm offset for that size, they're not too heavy at about 20lbs (not bad for street use), they're cheap, they're readily available, they're durable, and I think they look pretty good. Without the center caps most people don't even realise that they're Mustang wheels. In fact I've even had to tell Mustang owners that that's what they are. Lots of FC owners use them, including me. So please shut up before you go and get yourself banned.
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