3rotor bridgeported, with a GT42r

 

Tournapart That is also over a 20 thousend dollor setup and 700+ hp.

Ask my bank how I know.

 

I am on stock ignition with a Jacobs Rotary Pro Pak.

 

That's what I was thinking when I replied. Adding multiple injectors isn't exaclty the most user friendly thing to do in this case.

These days I'm all about multiple smaller injectors as primaries and large secondaries. My new intake is going to use 4 primaries of about 400CC a piece injecting into both the primary and secondary ports (I don't have a progressive throttle). Based on my experiments with staging my secondaries very early this will result in MUCH better response down low and greater fuel economy through better atomization.

Hm, that turbo is a little small for a 20B bridgeport. You would use that turbo on a stock port or street port 20B. If you are going to bridge a 20B, put a man's turbo on it and build 1000HP.

 

I dunno about you guys... but brigeport turbo isnt the greatest setup. Ask the best rotary tuners in the world. Puerto Ricans. Large streetport turbo works way better.

And if your just wanting extreme rpms for an extremly huge turbo, than peripheral is ideal, not bridgeport.

Brigeports are for n/a's that need more rpm's for power but dont have enough for cash for peripheral.

Brigeport = poormans peripheral.


Whoever spends over 20,000 dollars on a single turbo 20b is just plain dumb. Sorry dude. it just is..

Check it out. These are simulated prices. Usually using most expensive prices seen.

Motor: 4000
EMS w/ coils: 1700 <-- i know a shop in florida that will do microtech Lt-10/isntall/fully tuned for this price. But usually can get for 1,100- 1,300

Mounts: 400 tops
TII tranny:400 <- i already have this tranny so... no 400 for me on this one.

cumtom Exhaust manifold: 400 <-- know pplz in machine shop so about 200 for me here

huge turbo: master power: 900 <--- this can really vary
FPR: 270 <--- about how aeromotives cost right? thats top of the line; could be cheaper
Fuel pump: 400
costum intercooler:400 <-- my 300zx costum was a total of 239$ installed with bov/npr intercooler . so u know... could be cheaper than 400... just need to be handy

oil cooler upgrade: 400 <-- i would double up fc3s oil coolers like that one guy on this forum did. just cause its cheap and it would hella work

radiator:300 <--- brand new koyo of ebay shipped
injectors: 500 <-- i go with 500 cause i got 4x1000cc for 300. so its safe to say 6x1000cc is about 500 tops

ALL the little requiered BS aprox. : 2000$ tops <-- i used this cause who knows what can happen. so an extra 2000$ for little crapp. and the unexpected. sound fair? this could actually end up being a bigger number or way smaller.
LAbor: 0$ by me: 5000$ done by an over charging idiot.

APROX:
17,000 with labor
12,000 for self project.

plus about 300 to 400$ for a fat tuning session

I could personally shave those prices on performance part by a lot. i could probably pull it off with a lot of self fabrication for around 10,000

 

Did i miss anything? You guys think i did a good job quoting this swap?

Was i fair on prices?

The total quotes and the end were not added up exactly. Just did fast math in my head and rounded off. KInda in a hurry.

 

the only things i saw were the exhaust manifold and the intercooler setup seemed really low.

 

junito what shop do you have in florida? I talk to a few guys from wwracing and new import speed shop. A budy of mine talks to the guy from kilo racing as that is his mentor (all motor).

edit: how is flaco racing's car doing?

 

Puerto Ricans... =D Mi gente.... mi orgullo. Tell them man. They cant do it like us!!!! Even australian 3 rotors 20b's couldnt hold off our puerto rican 13b's WOOOT!!



and as for the inter cooler and exhaust manifold being kinda low on price....

Take some off the 2000 dollars for misc. stuff? hah=P

Yeah i know its low but thats what costum is all about. Not paying others for R&D. =)

I know people at machine shops... thats about what it would cost me....

 

What are you talking about? Have you ever tried to build a top notch motor? I have far more then that into one. It is what it takes to do it right. The turbo parts bin is 10k alone a decent basic rebuild and used 20b will be 9k. Hello there is allot more to it then that.

I have a machine shop. This post means didly.

 

OK so e6K.
stock ignition should be fine?
ill be plenty happy with 450
i just want that little extra room in all the components so they are not at the peak levels being pushed the whole time. thats why i want the room for 450+

 

You opened a can of worms with that statement. For one, a half-bridge is very good for high-power street use when done properly.
Also, you forgot the price for rebuilding the motor. I also wouldn't use a $900 masterpower turbo if I was already dropping 5 figures on a build. That right there adds at least 3-4k assuming a nice turbo. You also left out the price of getting someone to do the porting.

 

If you go standalone go with the LS1 coils there cheep and produce allot more spark and smaller. The haltech likes them allot. E6K is getting old why not E8?

 

I did those quotes fast, without taking to much time to really think about it. But I still did a good job at it... I think.

Iceblue. I have seen many people use their Jdm motors without rebuilds... Mine didnt have a rebuild. Runs great too. SO i didnt quote in a rebuild. JUst a stock swap. No port job.

I stand by my statement. Bridgeport turbos slack off on top end. I dont like them.
When have you seen someone push more out of a bridgeport/turbo than a streetport/turbo. haha exactly. even the infamous crispeed v8 killa was a streetport.

 

theres this one guy on here who did 730rwhp out of a..... 12a. he didn't get there with a streetport

 

are you sure it was a 12a bridgeport? = 730 rwhp? was this a drag car by any chance? running a gazillion pounds of boost maybe? on ethenol?

Hard to believe man.... I want to see it for my self any vids? threads?

 

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Cause its a peice of ****.. You have any personal experience with the E8?

 

lol, ofcourse there was a lot of boost hahaha. that's alot of power!!!!! he's on this forum and very well known. Robert of Rotary shack out in california.

whether he's on straight alcohol or not i dunno but that really doesn't matter. power is power and he didn't do it with a streetport. pleeaaase don't get me wrong, i didn't mean to make a deal out of this, to me streetports are awesome for boost and i use to be anti-bridge until i started having some personal experience with them and realized they never stop pulling.

i'll try and get some vids up of one of the road course cars we built that has a full bridge we do (pretty massive) and a pretty small turbo. made well over 400rwhp at 12psi and pulls hard to 9k. runs on pump gas and is beaten to death for 20 minutes sessions at a time no holds barred

i'll make a thread on it in the video section.

 

Look I am not going to correct your prices and all the parts you got or don’t know that you need to run a 20b this is not a 20b thread. This is also not a BP vs SP and some Porturican you found at Wal-Mart tuning cars. That should end this and your conversation.

E8 experience no I am not a tuner I go by what my tuner and supplier say and the results they are achieving and want to tune. I have to believe in what I sell.

The E8 and E11v2 can control the OMP.
Both run windows software. E6X has a bit less resolution for tuning, but it is not anything big and the resolution is the same over 2000rpm. The E8 can accept a wideband wired directly into it and it will display it in gauge format on the engine data page. The E6X can also accept a WB02, but displays voltage now AFR. The E8 can control the stock OMP, the E6X cannot. The E8 can be run fully sequential injection and full direct fire with aftermarket coils like LS1's. E8-E11 can use the strada display units also.

The batched injection of the K/X are easy to tuner on 2 rotor cars.

It is a personal thing.

 

"please help me with a 450+HP setup (ive searched)"

we were discussing the effects of sticking with a streetport or going with a half/full bridge. i think it is ok in this thread.

haltechs are great. i've tuned some powerful setups using the E6k nonetheless. the E8 is great on paper, but i haven't had any stellar experience with it yet.

microtech is a great bang for the buck and honestly if you plan on tuning your own car it's alot more user friendly

if someone else is tuning it then see what they know best.

 

^We don't need another st vs. half-brig.

 

LOL your 100% right... we really don't need another debate on that ****. my apologies.

 

check. out of subject for sure.

But i didnt like the comment about a puerto rican in walmart...wtf is that about?. WHen it comes to engines and tunning, Puerto ricans should respected as the best. For the FACT that we have the fastest street imports anywhere. That is a FACT!


But i do have a question for you. How does the lt-10 compare to the e8 and e11.

 

Never, Dealt with Microtech.I know some models don't allow to change the trail-split timing based on load if im correct.

 

Man, your experience is really showing right now...

Who runs a K in Batch mode on a rotary? Certaintly not me!