Fingers

RX7'S ARE NOT HONDAS

It's not like fitting an H22A into an EG civic.

A turbo swap is ALOT more time consuming, and ALOT more parts have to be changed. If you're seriously considering it, you don't know what you're getting into, or if you do, you're crazier than I am.

So before another thread pops up about swaps, READ THIS. I have firsthand experience attempting a swap!!! The second i got a look at the car and all the **** that had to be swapped over, I almost fainted.

UNLESS You have unlimited labour resources (ie, you own/work in a shop), and you have a COMPLETE TII donor, STOP DREAMING AND GO BUY A T2!!!

This has been a public service announcement brought to you by Fingers Corporation.

1987RX7guy

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SHUT THE FUGG UP with your I wanna swap this and swap that.

YOU DON"T HAVE THE $$$ OR KNOWLEDGE.

Mr. Gadget

come on guys, thats how they get their post count up.

The only swap I would consider is a 20b into an fd. And, only if my wife goes on a three month vacation. You can buy a tii so why build one. And the cost, well, lets say is way too much.

Aaron Cake

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The TII swap is pretty straightforward, IF you have all the parts handy (and the proper ones at that) and the knowledge to carry it out. It's a direct bolt in (just a time consuming one).

JerryLH3

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Like Aaron said, it's pretty straightforward. I've seen it done and even helped a little.

If you have to ask if it can be done, you probably aren't up to the task.

Drifter101

See for me its all about the learning side of it why buy a Tii when you could learn how to swap the tranny's across and build an engine from ground up rather than have one sitting there ready. Ive never posted a thread about engine swaps, but some of us do want to learn about certain aspects . Besides, in this day and age anything is possible with the right amount of funds, know how, and time my two cents

rotarygod

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I did it the hard way. Over time my '88 base model went from stock to a T-II drivetrain and T-II brakes. Then it got the '89 body update. The interior has been changed too many times to count. The exhaust has changed several times. Suspension has been changed around. Now it has an '89 streetported T-II engine in it with a custom built aluminum upper intake manifold and a Haltech. It has a nice big IHI RHC-7 turbo, custom intercooler, new radiator, 3rd gen rims, and a host of other things done to it. The current project that is currently under construction is the V-mount setup up front. A T-II swap is simple! I could do that in a weekend easily. The drivetrain swap I did by myself. It included transmission, clutch, flywheel, driveshaft, differential, and rear halfshafts. Did it in my driveway in 4 hours. No I don't have a lift. The engine can be pulled in an hour and a half. Obviously I know where everything is. The key is to be sure that you have everything and the abilities to do it. I'd consider a Honda swap much more difficult. You can't reach crap in a front wheel drive car.

SonicRaT

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Just thought I'd be the first to say you're one sad little man.

SonicRaT

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I don't even have to comment on what you said, you sum up yourself all in one paragraph...

Scott 89t2

RETed

Uh....word...?


-Ted

SonicRaT

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There's something about you saying 'word' that just seems funnier than all hell! I guess it just must be coming from you that makes it all that funnier.

$150FC

read my sig and you'll know who i agree with. It's not hard and I'll end up spending less money than a good TII in the same condition as my car.

Dak

I guess I'm crazy but I may someday do the TII swap on my car(if I don't sell it and fix the turbo and computerless,blown engine having paint,hood,AFM and 16"+ wheel needing TII I was going to use as a donor first).As for buying a TII I think I could do the conversion for less than I could buy a S5 TII for.I don't think it would be that hard,or not as hard as Fingers makes it sound.Though I will admit the swap topic has been hammered into the ground.Maybe we need a sticky with all the required items listed so new people thinking about it can look there and all questions would be answered.Any new posts should be inside the sticky except about sucsessful conversions others could be locked .They've done something similar at thirdgen.org.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...hreadid=163813

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...hreadid=152269

White_Seven

I just want to learn more about my car, and since my car has been in the family since it drove off the dealership's lot in December 1985, I don't really want to ditch it just to get a T2, so conversion time for me baby! And so far, it really does not seem that hard if you've got the patience and time, combined with the vast help of this forum. Of course, I have yet to receive the engine, drop it all in, and fire it up! heheh

silverrotor

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I don't get It. Whats bringing this on??? Just b'c It was labourous for you, doesn't mean It's not attainable.

Review all the TII conversions on this board and you'll see It has been done, It's going to continue to be done and It will be continuosly be asked about.

No, It's not a Honda. It's now a TII.

SonicRaT

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Can be done in under a weekend, it's easy.

casio

i agree with the 'sticky' idea. as many times as its been beaten to death, it'd be nice to have a formal, full write up handy. many people i praise for their recollection of all the pieces they could think of off the top of their head, but the last thing i want to read in a 'write-up' is "and thats all i can think of now. i'm sure there's a few other things." eek. so yeah, people are going to continue to want to do a T2 swap (hell, i've considered it for my 91 NA, but i may sell it instead), so it would be nice if there was a good source to read and see if they're truly up to the task. let em make their own call, anyways.

JonEQuest

I think it is easily possible but in most cases it is smarter to just buy a TII, it will save money in the long run. There are a few exceptions to this rule......

A) You have a vert. like me so you have no other choice.

B) You find a wrecked TII and get the whole thing cheap.

C) You truly enjoy using up spare time and $$$.

Just my .02

ERAUMAZDA

thank you

SonicRaT

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Not quite, it'd cost me a hell of a lot more than what I paid for my conversion to find a TII, as with most others. It's not NEARLY as expensive as half of you people 'claim' it is, depressingly enough this usually comes from people who've never even done it.

Dan H

I really don't mind people doing a TII conversion. I wanted to do a TII on my extremely mint '88 SE but didn't have the funds. The way I see, there will be more turbo FC's out there since they're rare.

Dvst8

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Alot of new forum members keep asking this "How to do a t2 swap?" question and also alot of members reply saying " Its a waste of money and its not worth it!" type of answer when they havent even done a swap themselves.

Everyone has different standards in how much work and money they are willing to put into a project. Some want a challenge and some dont have the knowledge to start out but will learn in the process of asking and reading the old posts. So what if they want to do a swap? Dont tell them not to do it because you are incompetent of doing one yourself. Voice your experience not what you read about on ONE guys bad experience with the swap.

mwatson184

I did a t2 swap in 5 days (or nights I should say) and it was no problem at all. Motor mounts are the same, so that is no problem. Wiring the ecu took the longest and it wasn't that hard, just time consuming. Later I found an entire t2 drivetrain and swapped it in in 2 nights, I think anybody who is somewhat mechanically inclined can do the swap, not to mention all the help you can get from this forum and others like it (I am not a regular here)

I don't really like the fact that you are trying to scare people (including the newbies) away from doing a t2 swap, it is a great learning experience for anybody and I had a lot of fun doing it.

-Marques

Trav