DC350

You know one thing i truely hate about this forum? If the peopl that own RX-7's that have lost there enegery boostage. Doin a drift is not safe, power sliding is not safe take it to the track. I am making this forum because i have been flamed numeroues times by "the 'ol folks" i can totally see the people that are like "yeah kick his ***" "kick ***" all that. But all the people that reply about being dangerous, and nicker at me for posting? dont post on stuff which you are going to say negative things. Really if it's a gang flame, other wise stay off the forums in which you are going to say it's dangerous.

SonicRaT

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your reply alone is dangerous, you're asking to get flamed!

Silkworm

Hey, I'm entitled to my opinion, and if I choose to express it, one way or another, within the bounds of decency, I will. You want to talk about street racing with a bunch of street racers, there are plenty of forums for that.

Get some thicker skin man, do you cry because someone says you drive a rice car? Do you beat people up when they laugh at your 1.3L RX-7? God damn people, grow some spine. If you think street racing is ok, then argue your point, don't tell us we're a bunch of old f***s and shut the f*** up.

PaulC

fastrotaries

In life there is a time and place for everything. Crowded streets shouldn't be used for any type of racing. Not even if it's on foot. I do street race, and it's out in the middle of nowhere texas. (Merkel...Outside of Abilene). If i run off the road then some farmer loses some of his crop if it's farmed at that particular time. So don't diss people for doing something, when not all the details have been presented.
There is no such thing as "Safe". Safety is merely danger out of place, and can be used in contrast with something else. It can not stand by itself. All racing has some degree of danger. heck getting out of bed could be construed as dangerous. It's up to the responsible adult to make the proper judgement. there are certain people i wouldn't race because they can not control their car in a fashion that i would deem safe. Obviously they do, since they race. that's just my perogative.
Oh and i give you credit for speaking your mind. that's what this country is for. If you couldn't do that freely, then what's the point ?????

Jerk_Racer

DC350: I'm here for you pal. Don't let the old hypocrites get you down. You know they all break a law or two on the streets on a daily basis one way or another. It just takes time to develop a closed mind towards other people and other ways that makes them feel uncomfortable. Do you think people are born tightwads? Nope, that takes time and lots of it. Never heard of a young fart? I haven't either.

jerk_racer@hotmail.com

FPrep2ndGenRX7

DC350 - If you don't want to get flammed then don't post stupid stuff like this in the 2nd gen section. Take it to the Lounge. I for one am probably one of those old farts you are refering to. Having been driving since you were in diapers I dare say I'm a more experienced driver and have seen more than you. I'm a firm believer that racing should be kept on the racetrack under controlled conditions. I've seen what happens to innocent people and if that were to happen to my wife or daughter I'd probably end up in jail for my actions if it were caused by some stupid kid street racing. I'm not calling you stupid but anything anyone does without thinking fully thru the consequences is stupid and street racing is one of those stupid things.

Wankel7

Man, I am 21 and still drive with some reckless flavors. I remember when I first got my RX-7. Coming home from work on a narrow VA back road at night going 120mph. Fun as hell but then shortly thereafter I went around the turn to fast. I hurt my car Not me thank god. The car was ok just scratches. But I grew up when it happened. Still drove fast but it slowed me down. When I was 18 I bought my TII. By that time I had lost the desire to see, "How fast she really can go". It was weird I just lost the desire.

I find my self growing up and wanting to see how fast my TII can go on a racetrack. One day

You tell people not to post negative things. Man, your post is negative. So what if people tell you the next time your drifting across multiple lanes you are going to hit somebody you know or somebody that knows a lawyer. That is their opinion. Yours opinion is their opinion sucks. So deal with it.

If you are going to post your "achievements" on the open road then you want something. And you’re getting it. Everybody’s two cents. If you don't want those two cents then DONT POST ON AN OPEN FORUM!! Because that is what this is. One big opinion fest!


My two cents!

James

Marcuss

I'm kind of stuck in the middle on this one (some where between an old fart and a young punk). I don't mind street racing, but take it out where you're less likely to do damage to other people and their property.

Want to thrash it out on some abandoned road? - go for it. Want to race in my neighborhood, take out my neighbor's mailbox, cause $2500 in damage to my truck and not claim responsibility? - then I get angry.

Don't infringe on others property rights, and don't endanger the kids in the neighborhoods. If you've got the guts to street race, have the guts to admit responsibility for any damage that you cause. And remember, if you're the person who tagged my truck, I'm still looking for you.

J-Rat

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What brought on that outburst anyways? The other thread/poll about street racing? Cause all I said was that street racing was stupid...And I am a younger person. If you post polls concerning subjects like Street Racing, Running from Cops...Etc. People are going to post thier opinions...I think that you got away relatively easy, wait till someone that has lost a family member to people street racing to get on this forum and see your poll. They are gonna flip!!! Street racing is a part of car culture, for as long as there have been cars. I am sure that EVERYONE has done it from time to time.. That doesnt mean its safe or smart. Its dangerous PERIOD. DOnt get all pissy because people express thier opinions.

Rat

go_speed_go

This is comical.
I guess anyone who's had their license for 10 years or more is old.

We are, in futility, just trying to save lesser experienced members from learning some lessons the very hard way.

In 'my day' the internet & web didn't exist. Unless you met someone in the SCCA or drag racing open track nights, you'd never know that stuff existed or was possible.

Today, anyone who can plug 4 or less words into google can locate just about every safe closed course event within 100 miles and it's calendar in less than 5 minutes. It's that easy and yet so many people refuse do it.

"You young people" have so much more information and events available to you and just don't appreciate it.

As said already, if you're that gung-ho on testing your metal in an uncontrolled environment, make sure there's NO possibility of harming other people or their property. That way, when you wind up in the news either dead or mangled, the only thing to feel sorry for is your own family.

J-Rat

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Ive had my license for 14 years...And I consider myself young!!

Stepdaddy

"caused by some stupid kid street racing"

I like how every time there is a acedent its a kid, were i race old people are there with their cars, some being new hondas some being old muscele cars, dont assume that your olders that your a better driver, its dangerous but its ganna happen there isnt anything you can do about t, stop trying to say

That way, when you wind up in the news either dead or mangled, the only thing to feel sorry for is your own family.

show me a place in syracuse NY thats has a track, i dont wan a stip b/c in my mind thats not driving.If its a fair distance and cheep ill give up street racing...heh yeah right

Silkworm

Fine. Watkins Glen is 85 miles from you. One of the premier road racing tracks in the country, home of one of the two Winston Cup NASCAR road race events.

And before you whine that it's too far, 85 miles is nothing. I'll drive 300 for a good track.

There's auto-x events in Lafeyette, Dewitt, and Rome, with the first one on April 27th.

K? Happy now? Gonna stop street racing? I dont' care if you do or you don't, just don't justify your activities by saying you don't have events local to you.

PaulC

go_speed_go

Within 50 miles: http://www.cnyroadrace.com/scca/solo2.html

Within 100 miles: http://www.flr-scca.com/

Wow, that sure was hard to find. I had to type "+Syracuse +SCCA" into google. It took less time than a single street race if you include waiting for the light to change.

Icemark

Whoops too late you beat me too it.

Two words: Grow up.

I mean get a clue; do you really think anyone is telling you that those things are not safe just to spoil your fun???

Or maybe we have been there done that, and in the last 20 years have seen a lot of friends killed or kill people by irresponsible driving, since there are 100% more people on the road today than when I was your age...

There is a safer way to street race (as in empty streets in low rent industrial/storage areas) and then there is the kid(s) who isn't thinking driving down the main street in town at 100+ with traffic, so he (or she) can drift into some corner at the end. I know which one your post makes me think you are.

Wankel7

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sunshine

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I feel like an "old timer" for sayin this (I'm only 22)...but I've had my liscence since 16. I was really wild back then, I drove a 85 Rx-7, and drove it hard...some of my friends were even afraid to get into the car with me. Since then I have seen alot of stuff on the road, some of it resulting from my actions. It made me grow up and realize that life is a little more fragile than I originaly thought. One false move and it is all over...and the kicker is that you could be the best driver in the world...but remember all those people next to you are not! Maybe I just lost my nerve, i dont know...but i think all you younger guys will come to this realization as well in due time, hopefully without causing any harm to yourself or other innocent people.

RETed

I guess I'm one of those "old folks" you're talking about...

To post what to did took *****...&nbsp and a lot of stupidity...

It just shows how young you are and how IMMATURE you are...

It doesn't matter, cause no matter what, the world is going to bite you in the *** - I put money on it.

I've done my share of racing on the street.&nbsp Hell, I still do it now.&nbsp When I used to do it, we used to have a an unwritten code on conduct...&nbsp No cutting people off; slow down reasonable when coming up to traffic; no use of the emergency lane; no use of the incoming lane; no brake-checking; respect the other guys car...

"Kids" nowdays seem to break all those rules.&nbsp I've seen it all.&nbsp I've seen an E36 M3 dive under a Chevy Celebrity on the freeway - the Chevy was doing 55; the M3 was doing over 130.&nbsp The Chevy FLIPPED over from the accident.&nbsp I've seen Honda crash into side barriers on the freeway and flip over the railing, dropping 30 feet below.&nbsp I've seen a Porsche spin out at over 100mph (in the rain!).&nbsp I've seen enough cars fall off cliffs and into ditches it's not even funny...&nbsp I've seen enough people maimed and killed.

Sure, you might not give a ****, but maybe my ranting and raving might save a life or keep you from hurting SOMEONE ELSE.&nbsp Personally, by your attitude, I don't give a **** if you kill yourself or turn into a parapalegic at this point...&nbsp Your attitude stinks.&nbsp If you think you own the world, boy you're going to learn the hard way.

If there is anything I'm going to ask - don't kill or hurt an innocent bystander.&nbsp You can do what you like with yourself - just don't run into someone else...




-Ted

Jerk_Racer

There is a big difference between streetracing and just messing around. I'm not talking about a little powerslide but full blown sliding around corners. Don't intermingle the two (streetracing and sliding). Those that do either in residential areas need to be flogged. Telling a junkie they can only get their fix once a month for a few minutes at a time is the same as telling somebody to wait for an autoX to get their rocks off. It's not going to happen. Around here there are plenty of roads leading into and around the Cascades that are marked 20mph or 25mph that I'll take at almost twice that. When I want to get totally sideways, I look for industrial parks that are deviod of people. Sliding around excessively is not acceptable at autoX or track events. I've seen people get reprimanded for having too much fun by track officials.
You can give advice on somebody's family situation. You can give advice on somebody's love life. You can give advice on somebody's career. You CAN'T give advice on somebody's driving. This seems to be the most sacred of all things to most people. If somebody gets advice, it'll **** them off with a quickness. Everybody thinks they are a great driver just because they haven't killed anybody yet or have a rap sheet a mile long. It's just one of those things.

Icemark

HEAR HEAR, CLAP CLAP... you hit the nail right on the head Ted,

My hat is off to you!

FPrep2ndGenRX7

As usual, Ted speaks, we listen. The code of conduct makes lots of sense(sp?).

von

DC350 point was someone posts a race and some old fart will interupt the fun by saying its dangerous. Why dont they go to the killz section and complain about everybody??? Who knows. The opinion is ok but most of those opinions were negative as well.

go_speed_go

Jerk_Racer, this remark is not directed at you, just the statement I'm quoting.

- Begin Rant -
Ok I wasn't going to rant about this before, but clearly it needs to be pointed out.

IMHO, the reason a lot of younger people today do this **** is because they're ******* lazy. They are the generation of immediate gratification "I want it. I want it now, and I don't want to have to do anything to get it."

How hard was that keyword search I posted above? I'm pretty sure any grade schooler could have figured it out. Why didn't others? Because they're too ******* lazy to do it themselves. They'd rather be happy with their status quo until somone spoon feeds them something better.

Same thing with the "one monthly fix" issue. You can find racing within a reasonable distance ANY weekend if you're not too ******* lazy to look for it. Attend one of any kind of controlled course event and ask a few people and they'll tell you where the next event(s) will be held if it's too hard to do another 2 word key search at google.

So why are people still doing a lot of stupid things? Because stupidity and laziness walk hand in hand in many instances. "I'm going to keep street racing until someone holds my hand and walks me somewhere I can do it safely". Jesus! Learn about responsibility. I'm sure you know what it is if your mother isn't holding your dick anymore for you to ****. If you've learned to take it into your own hand, you should know what responsibility is.

It's sad that even the families of people who kill & mame themselves are affected, but maybe there is a bright side. Maybe this is the automotive Darwin at work. Automotive gene pool cleansing at it's best.

- End Rant -

Stepdaddy

Silkworm, thanx for the info i wasnt aware...at what point was i supose to start whinning? sometimes i just dont understand people who think they know how another is feeling, expecialy on a fourm, dont be such a ****, k thanx

No7Yet

I'm going to stick my two cents in here...

I'm 18, and have had my license for a pretty short time. Jerk_Racer, it's people like you that give people like me a bad name. I'm young, and I drive a high-powered sports car (175 to the ground is a LOT for a teen). Because of people like you, I get dirty looks every time I drive my car. Because of people like you, I get told "You're going to wrap that car around a tree", even though I would never push it hard enough to do such a thing - hell, I don't drive my RX-7 in the rain!

But you know what? It looks like all you want to do is slide around and make noise; not race. You wanna go slide around? Find a parking lot in a deserted area of town. Don't do it on the streets. Wanna race? Get in touch with some local SCCA folk - they're all over the USA.

Ted: I engage in the occasional street drag race, as do my friends. It's not uncommon among my clique to turn a cold shoulder to those who drive recklessly. What's reckless, by our definition? Not following that same unwritten "code". It's not dead

Brandon