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Old 08-03-14, 10:50 AM
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Ok SO I am in Tucson AZ. this place is renown for screwing up cars. Anywho… I hit a bump/pothole basically yes I bottomed out. Now the problem I am having is that the car will not go into any selected gear while the car is running. However, I can push the clutch in and feel everything have as much pressure as it always has. I can also select a gear when the car is off and then when I turn the car on (clutch pedal depressed or not) the car drives in that gear but will not go into any other selected gear after that. So I am wondering what the problem could be exactly and if you guys have any idea of what it could be? Thanks guys. A ll I have done so far is take of the shifter to see if anything in there is messed up… I couldn't tell But I will post the pic of it upon the next reply if someone tells me they need it.

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if you can't put it in gear while its running, looking in the shifter hole isn't going to tell you anything. Check your clutch fluid, and slave cylinder and make sure they are moving. Depending on the force of the hit, you could have broke the shift fork. Any new sounds since you hit the hole?
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So the clutch simply won't disengage but you have resistance to the clutch pedal. My bet are either:

Bent (or broken) shift fork.

or

Broken mounting ear on the Clutch Slave.

Hope it's the latter. Otherwise you get to R&R your Tranny.

I'd also check your motor and tranny mounts. If the jolt was enough to cause enough movement to damage either, then one or more of those rubber mounts got ripped in the process.
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The most likely culprit is the pilot bearing let go and the input shaft and flywheel are locked together. Usually it happens at speed and just wipes it out but yours is one of the few that locked up. pull it apart clean out the old bearing and throw a new one in. Last two i did had no input shaft or e shaft damage.


one way to check this is to jack up the rear end and have it on jack stands, with the clutch depressed and in any gear if you turn the rear tires the engine should not turn.
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if you put it in gear, then start it, will it stay put until you let the clutch out? or will it just take off?
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I once had a broken release bearing. (Throw out bearing). One of its little ears broke off. Im amazed it stayed in place and didnt shear the other side of the fork.
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Yes Barkz, it does just that. I put it in gear and start the car and it just drives away
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Yes Barkz, it does just that. I put it in gear and start the car and it just drives away
So you can start the car with it in gear and the clutch depressed?
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pilot bearing let go.
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correct FC nut. Hmm how you get that it is the pilot bearing? I did drive it home in first gear
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The pilot bearing essentially lets the trans go into the eshaft but yet allows the trans to spin.like a separate part(think 2 piece..one engine shaft..one trans shaft inside the engine shaft)
Now the trans needs to spin freely in order to change gears.
If the pilot bearing is Snookered,basically the engine is attached to the Trans and won't allow the trans to shift into gear while it is moving..BUT you can still shift gears when the car is OFF and the engine is not spinning the tranny gears.

Does that sound like what you are going through?
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That does sound like it!! thank you misterstyx! how simple would this fix be??
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Sounds like you get to R&R your transmission after all.

You'll want to find someone that has the factory pilot bearing puller. Anything else will result in many many four letter words. Might as well do a clutch job while it's apart.
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you gotta Drop the trans Man...no 2 ways about it.

Factory puller is really NICE To have but there are ways to get that damn thing out..(aka Dremel)
Trust me,I can get one out in 3 minutes.,while chewing on a cheeseburger and scratchin my butt..lol!
And Ya,if you drop the transmission then no sense in just putting in that pesky 12 dollar bearing..
Check Everything..do **** ONCE..you do not want to replace the pilot then the the throw out bearing goes.
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The factory tool is nice to have, but I've had good luck with a generic harbor freight type blind pilot bearing puller. Just have the new pilot bearing in hand, open the box and confirm it has a small enough attachment for your bearing.

The other methods (grease, dremel, etc.) have proven to work ok by members here but for me I go that route only if stuck in a bind.
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So drop the transmission… cooool. I have no parts but I am gonna buy them all when I see what all I need. Could be a lot of stuff.
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You can rent the tool for free from autozone or advance with a deposit. Thry call the tool a 'blind hole puller' set. Do not let them rent you a 'pilot bearing puller', it will NOT work. There's nothing special about the oem tool.. its a slide hammer with a reasonably sized collette.

Order a pilot bearing and a release (throw out) bearing.

Before any of this. Just for grins and giggles. Have someone press and hold the clutch in. Watch the slave cylinder for rod extension indicating that its working, but also that it doesn't simply leak back. Humor me.
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Make sure you get the pilot bearing seal!
Might as well buy a clutch kit and do it all.
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Originally Posted by Acesanugal
You can rent the tool for free from autozone or advance with a deposit. Thry call the tool a 'blind hole puller' set. Do not let them rent you a 'pilot bearing puller', it will NOT work. There's nothing special about the oem tool.. its a slide hammer with a reasonably sized collette.

Order a pilot bearing and a release (throw out) bearing.

Before any of this. Just for grins and giggles. Have someone press and hold the clutch in. Watch the slave cylinder for rod extension indicating that its working, but also that it doesn't simply leak back. Humor me.
the way he described it i doubt its hydraulic. If it were a leaky slave or master he wouldnt get it into/out of gear at all once it bled out.
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Ive had the pedal feel pretty normal but not actually actuate anything. Its a long shot, but it takes thirty seconds before you go dropping the gearbox out of it.
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