Pretty soon I'm going to put down the $1600 deposit to purchase one of these kits, and when I check the website it appears that only three people have placed orders. What's the deal? Too expensive?

 

i think its too expensive for our blood
if any of us have that money we'd already have owned a turbo / went to a turbo project

good luck to u

 

You're paying more for that than what the car is worth.
We're not talking about 400hp either...


-Ted

 

right we are talking about 200hp

 

Are we talking about the EFI kit?

 

Yeah, I'm talking about the EFI kit. As far as it costing more than the worth of the car, I'm sure that you, and a lot of other members on this site have probably doubled the value of their FCs in modifications and maintenance.

I'll test how far the kit can go. They say you can find another 35% by increasing your injector sizes, so I'll see how that holds up with some dyno tuning. If I do get this, I'll be sure to go for a tuning session and post the results.

The fuel setup will probably be four 720cc injectors and a walbro 255L/hr pump and controlled by the already installed S-AFC II. My exhaust is a RB header through a custom 2.5" single cat and out through an HKS Sport cat-back. I'll see if I can break 240rwhp.

Edit: I think it'll be interesting to take a look at the dyno graph and compare it to other non-supercharged RX7s.

 

You're actually far better off selling your car, buying a TII and modding that. I've spent alot on mine, but the fact is, even a TII with boltons will be faster than a car with that kit, and also more reliable..

 

I've already modified this car rather extensively and I've sort of become attatched to it. Besides, it's a lot lighter than a TII.

 

Well, you should calculate how much you have into it vs what you want as a HP goal also..

 

Actually, some of us in the drifting community are watching this kit. The supercharger supposedly makes more torque earlier on. I am very interested in the results.

 

Spending the equivalent of the car's value on mods does not add the same amount to the resale value to the car. Unless you have a genuine collectible, you're lucky if you get back a fraction of the money spent on mods.
That's because many of the TII-specific parts are stronger to handle the additional power. So you can't expect an NA making TII power and torque to be as reliable. A lighter car with a broken gearbox isn't much good...

 

Our 1990 Turbo II came in at 2510 lbs. on certified race scales.
How light is your car?


-Ted

 

if i had the cash id probaly would get it but im too broke

 

Jesus guys... wtf is going on?

I mean, yeah the kit is expensive.... but you all are literally RAGGING his **** about this.

Yeah, he could go buy a TII.
He could do a TII swap.
What if he doesn't want a turbo?
What if he is, like me, attached to his car. I could give a ****'s whats under the hood (N/A or S/C or T) but I love that damn car and won't part with it.

His money, his car. If you want to give reasons why you don't want to buy the kit (same reason I'm going "home grown"... TOO EXPENSIVE) then do that, but don't rag his ****.

Some of us like things like... carpet, radio, etc etc.

 

ted i would like to see picture of a turboII on a scale weighing 2510 lbs...

 

You can get a tII down to 2500-2600 with full interior/radio/heater. And for $4k, I'd rather buy a freshly built bridgeport and go with a full turbo.

 

i'm just saying 2510 sounds awfully liberal. i mean, i have ALL of my a/c and powersteering removed, spare removed, AL hood, (mine actually started as an NA but now has full TII drivetrain) but i dont see my car weighing anywhere near 2510.

edit: also, all the ac and ps stuff weighs ALOT. also the steel spare weighs alot.. i wonder how much weight i've removed?

 

I am picking up another 10th Anny for 3500 in running condition hopefully this week. I am going to see how light I can get it with full interior.

The only thing i don't like about superchargers is there isn't much room to grow with them. You can just change the compressoer on a turbo to get more power, when you need more you go full on t4 or lager and so on and so on. A supercharger you only have so many wheels to use and then you are stuck.

 

I'm glad that someone is finally trying out the Camden. Seems like a good kit, and we all know the FC can use the extra torque down low. Seems like your on the right track with the fuel upgrades. Only other thing is, if you're going to increase the boost, I would recommend you get your hands on a TII tranny and rear, as well as a good clutch to make sure it can handle the abuse.

Keep us updated on the install, tuning, dyno, etc.

 

Remember kids, roots blowers w/o aftercooling don't get anywhere near their power potential. The camden kit has no aftercooling.

 

88Integra... Is the eaton m-90 a roots or centrifugal?

 

As for weight there's a 45lbs difference between a TII engine and a n/a engine. Some S4 added drivetrain weight, but there's no reason to refer to a TII as a pig compared to its same series n/a counterpart.

With the high compression n/a rotors one could get some pretty interesting results with the supercharger.

 

I think it's too much cost for not enough return. Sure, it's cool to say you've got a blower under the hood, but with power increase ranging from 50-75hp and the kit costing about $4000, there is a serious discrepancy there. Think about it...most all SC kits add big numbers. IF you have a stock ford expedition you can get a bolt on kit to add ~200 at the WHEELS. Same for mustang, silverado, whatever. That, my friends, is worth $4000.


Look at it this way...who wants to spend $4000 just to run neck and neck with a new nissan maxima at the redlights (which is probably about the level of performance a bolt on SC will give you, power at or slightly above stock turbo II performance)?

IF you do a turbo swap, $1000 in mods will put you 100hp over stock, running low 13's or high 12's all day long. Even if you look at doing the entire turbo drivetrain swap front to back (versus keeping the weaker NA drivetrain) you can pretty much pay for all of that, as well as your $1000 in mods and have the same money (or less) invested into that that you would;ve had into this SC kit. But now, you have an extra 50hp on top of what the kit offers, and you have a drivetrain that can handle twice the stress. Plus youve just begun to mod the turbo setup..there is only so far the bolt on SC kit can go.

Nobody is ragging on him, it just doesnt make sense to go that route. IF you looked at a $$ vs hp ratio for both options, I bet the SC setup costs twice as much per hp developed. IS it really worthwhile just to be "different"?
I think if this kit were priced down around $2000-2500 it'd get a lot more looks and use.

 

Did that TII have A/C and all emissions? Full interior? Audio system? Power windows? Mine is 2670 with me and 10 gallons of gas.

Seriously, what do you guys care so much? It's not like it's your money and a it's not like a TII swap is going to be the best thing.

EDIT: Since I'm going to be one of the first ten people, the kit will cost $3200, and not the usual $3650. That's not TOO bad.

 

Don't think I haven't considered a turbo II swap. The Turbo II swap is too much labor in not enough time. I have to do this before school starts again, and I don't have the time or patience to do it in three weeks. This is my only car, so a TII swap doesn't really make sense.

Big V8s make more power off of SC kits because SCs run directly off the engine and generally the more power it provides to the pulley, the more power the SC provides to the engine.

I'm not looking to blow the doors off of every car I see, I'd just like a little more torque and a slightly more useable powerband.