No interest in Camden's SC kit?
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No interest in Camden's SC kit?
Pretty soon I'm going to put down the $1600 deposit to purchase one of these kits, and when I check the website it appears that only three people have placed orders. What's the deal? Too expensive?
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Yeah, I'm talking about the EFI kit. As far as it costing more than the worth of the car, I'm sure that you, and a lot of other members on this site have probably doubled the value of their FCs in modifications and maintenance.
I'll test how far the kit can go. They say you can find another 35% by increasing your injector sizes, so I'll see how that holds up with some dyno tuning. If I do get this, I'll be sure to go for a tuning session and post the results.
The fuel setup will probably be four 720cc injectors and a walbro 255L/hr pump and controlled by the already installed S-AFC II. My exhaust is a RB header through a custom 2.5" single cat and out through an HKS Sport cat-back. I'll see if I can break 240rwhp.
Edit: I think it'll be interesting to take a look at the dyno graph and compare it to other non-supercharged RX7s.
I'll test how far the kit can go. They say you can find another 35% by increasing your injector sizes, so I'll see how that holds up with some dyno tuning. If I do get this, I'll be sure to go for a tuning session and post the results.
The fuel setup will probably be four 720cc injectors and a walbro 255L/hr pump and controlled by the already installed S-AFC II. My exhaust is a RB header through a custom 2.5" single cat and out through an HKS Sport cat-back. I'll see if I can break 240rwhp.
Edit: I think it'll be interesting to take a look at the dyno graph and compare it to other non-supercharged RX7s.
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You're actually far better off selling your car, buying a TII and modding that. I've spent alot on mine, but the fact is, even a TII with boltons will be faster than a car with that kit, and also more reliable..
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Originally Posted by snub disphenoid
As far as it costing more than the worth of the car, I'm sure that you, and a lot of other members on this site have probably doubled the value of their FCs in modifications and maintenance.
Besides, it's a lot lighter than a TII.
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Originally Posted by snub disphenoid
I've already modified this car rather extensively and I've sort of become attatched to it. Besides, it's a lot lighter than a TII.
How light is your car?
-Ted
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Jesus guys... wtf is going on?
I mean, yeah the kit is expensive.... but you all are literally RAGGING his **** about this.
Yeah, he could go buy a TII.
He could do a TII swap.
What if he doesn't want a turbo?
What if he is, like me, attached to his car. I could give a ****'s whats under the hood (N/A or S/C or T) but I love that damn car and won't part with it.
His money, his car. If you want to give reasons why you don't want to buy the kit (same reason I'm going "home grown"... TOO EXPENSIVE) then do that, but don't rag his ****.
Some of us like things like... carpet, radio, etc etc.
I mean, yeah the kit is expensive.... but you all are literally RAGGING his **** about this.
Yeah, he could go buy a TII.
He could do a TII swap.
What if he doesn't want a turbo?
What if he is, like me, attached to his car. I could give a ****'s whats under the hood (N/A or S/C or T) but I love that damn car and won't part with it.
His money, his car. If you want to give reasons why you don't want to buy the kit (same reason I'm going "home grown"... TOO EXPENSIVE) then do that, but don't rag his ****.
Our 1990 Turbo II came in at 2510 lbs. on certified race scales.
How light is your car?
How light is your car?
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You can get a tII down to 2500-2600 with full interior/radio/heater. And for $4k, I'd rather buy a freshly built bridgeport and go with a full turbo.
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i'm just saying 2510 sounds awfully liberal. i mean, i have ALL of my a/c and powersteering removed, spare removed, AL hood, (mine actually started as an NA but now has full TII drivetrain) but i dont see my car weighing anywhere near 2510.
edit: also, all the ac and ps stuff weighs ALOT. also the steel spare weighs alot.. i wonder how much weight i've removed?
edit: also, all the ac and ps stuff weighs ALOT. also the steel spare weighs alot.. i wonder how much weight i've removed?
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I am picking up another 10th Anny for 3500 in running condition hopefully this week. I am going to see how light I can get it with full interior.
The only thing i don't like about superchargers is there isn't much room to grow with them. You can just change the compressoer on a turbo to get more power, when you need more you go full on t4 or lager and so on and so on. A supercharger you only have so many wheels to use and then you are stuck.
The only thing i don't like about superchargers is there isn't much room to grow with them. You can just change the compressoer on a turbo to get more power, when you need more you go full on t4 or lager and so on and so on. A supercharger you only have so many wheels to use and then you are stuck.
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I'm glad that someone is finally trying out the Camden. Seems like a good kit, and we all know the FC can use the extra torque down low. Seems like your on the right track with the fuel upgrades. Only other thing is, if you're going to increase the boost, I would recommend you get your hands on a TII tranny and rear, as well as a good clutch to make sure it can handle the abuse.
Keep us updated on the install, tuning, dyno, etc.
Keep us updated on the install, tuning, dyno, etc.
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As for weight there's a 45lbs difference between a TII engine and a n/a engine. Some S4 added drivetrain weight, but there's no reason to refer to a TII as a pig compared to its same series n/a counterpart.
With the high compression n/a rotors one could get some pretty interesting results with the supercharger.
With the high compression n/a rotors one could get some pretty interesting results with the supercharger.
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I think it's too much cost for not enough return. Sure, it's cool to say you've got a blower under the hood, but with power increase ranging from 50-75hp and the kit costing about $4000, there is a serious discrepancy there. Think about it...most all SC kits add big numbers. IF you have a stock ford expedition you can get a bolt on kit to add ~200 at the WHEELS. Same for mustang, silverado, whatever. That, my friends, is worth $4000.
Look at it this way...who wants to spend $4000 just to run neck and neck with a new nissan maxima at the redlights (which is probably about the level of performance a bolt on SC will give you, power at or slightly above stock turbo II performance)?
IF you do a turbo swap, $1000 in mods will put you 100hp over stock, running low 13's or high 12's all day long. Even if you look at doing the entire turbo drivetrain swap front to back (versus keeping the weaker NA drivetrain) you can pretty much pay for all of that, as well as your $1000 in mods and have the same money (or less) invested into that that you would;ve had into this SC kit. But now, you have an extra 50hp on top of what the kit offers, and you have a drivetrain that can handle twice the stress. Plus youve just begun to mod the turbo setup..there is only so far the bolt on SC kit can go.
Nobody is ragging on him, it just doesnt make sense to go that route. IF you looked at a $$ vs hp ratio for both options, I bet the SC setup costs twice as much per hp developed. IS it really worthwhile just to be "different"?
I think if this kit were priced down around $2000-2500 it'd get a lot more looks and use.
Look at it this way...who wants to spend $4000 just to run neck and neck with a new nissan maxima at the redlights (which is probably about the level of performance a bolt on SC will give you, power at or slightly above stock turbo II performance)?
IF you do a turbo swap, $1000 in mods will put you 100hp over stock, running low 13's or high 12's all day long. Even if you look at doing the entire turbo drivetrain swap front to back (versus keeping the weaker NA drivetrain) you can pretty much pay for all of that, as well as your $1000 in mods and have the same money (or less) invested into that that you would;ve had into this SC kit. But now, you have an extra 50hp on top of what the kit offers, and you have a drivetrain that can handle twice the stress. Plus youve just begun to mod the turbo setup..there is only so far the bolt on SC kit can go.
Nobody is ragging on him, it just doesnt make sense to go that route. IF you looked at a $$ vs hp ratio for both options, I bet the SC setup costs twice as much per hp developed. IS it really worthwhile just to be "different"?
I think if this kit were priced down around $2000-2500 it'd get a lot more looks and use.
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Originally Posted by RETed
Our 1990 Turbo II came in at 2510 lbs. on certified race scales.
How light is your car?
-Ted
How light is your car?
-Ted
Seriously, what do you guys care so much? It's not like it's your money and a it's not like a TII swap is going to be the best thing.
EDIT: Since I'm going to be one of the first ten people, the kit will cost $3200, and not the usual $3650. That's not TOO bad.
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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
I think it's too much cost for not enough return. Sure, it's cool to say you've got a blower under the hood, but with power increase ranging from 50-75hp and the kit costing about $4000, there is a serious discrepancy there. Think about it...most all SC kits add big numbers. IF you have a stock ford expedition you can get a bolt on kit to add ~200 at the WHEELS. Same for mustang, silverado, whatever. That, my friends, is worth $4000.
IF you do a turbo swap, $1000 in mods will put you 100hp over stock, running low 13's or high 12's all day long. Even if you look at doing the entire turbo drivetrain swap front to back (versus keeping the weaker NA drivetrain) you can pretty much pay for all of that, as well as your $1000 in mods and have the same money (or less) invested into that that you would;ve had into this SC kit. But now, you have an extra 50hp on top of what the kit offers, and you have a drivetrain that can handle twice the stress. Plus youve just begun to mod the turbo setup..there is only so far the bolt on SC kit can go.
Nobody is ragging on him, it just doesnt make sense to go that route. IF you looked at a $$ vs hp ratio for both options, I bet the SC setup costs twice as much per hp developed.
IF you do a turbo swap, $1000 in mods will put you 100hp over stock, running low 13's or high 12's all day long. Even if you look at doing the entire turbo drivetrain swap front to back (versus keeping the weaker NA drivetrain) you can pretty much pay for all of that, as well as your $1000 in mods and have the same money (or less) invested into that that you would;ve had into this SC kit. But now, you have an extra 50hp on top of what the kit offers, and you have a drivetrain that can handle twice the stress. Plus youve just begun to mod the turbo setup..there is only so far the bolt on SC kit can go.
Nobody is ragging on him, it just doesnt make sense to go that route. IF you looked at a $$ vs hp ratio for both options, I bet the SC setup costs twice as much per hp developed.
Big V8s make more power off of SC kits because SCs run directly off the engine and generally the more power it provides to the pulley, the more power the SC provides to the engine.
I'm not looking to blow the doors off of every car I see, I'd just like a little more torque and a slightly more useable powerband.