bheiman

So yea, i have an fd, but a friend of mine (girl) has a 1990 fc convertable and she loves the car.
It has 90k on it and she says its not fast enough for her.
She wants to put some money into it and wants more power.

"some guy" wanted her to give him 3300$ and he will put in a turbo 2 motor, boost controller, boost gauge and fuel cut defender.... and he says she will get 300 hp...

well for some reason i found that funny and thought it was a rip off and seems like its gonna blow after its put in.

I took her for a nice (by nice i mean driving quite fast) and told her i would look into her car.

Honestly what should she do to her car? She wants 300 hp, i think thats a little to much, but its just a number to shoot for.

She has 5000$ to spend on the car. The EMS will already be taken care of pretty much, for around 1000$ installed and tuned.

that leaves 4000$ to put into the car.
What should she do? He car runs great, i was thinking maybe rebuild the engine with a port job and bigger apex seals and put on a turbo and support mods.

Anyone have ideas?
what about the driveline holding up to the abuse
also most of the labor will be done by me (I am going to be teaching her how to do everything though)

I do gotta say, ive found a girl that is hot, likes rx7s, and wants to learn about cars and get into autoxing and what not,

no wonder im gonna go out of my way to help her

SureShot

A turbo swap is a good move for a Vert.
The price sounds fair for a good quality job that includes the driveline.
Check the guy's references & look at his work.

IMHO 300 is getting in to high maintenance, especially if it's a daily driver.
Also you're getting past the practical limit of the TMIC.

bheiman

yea, it dont include the driveline, and i think he is just going to push a lot of boost, and rely on the fuel cut defender.

she is a good driver ill give her that, but she dont know how fast 300 whp is
im pushin close to 300 whp and i can tell you that is more than enough. so im saying probobly about ~300 hp to the crank, so about 230-250 to the wheels.
I would really like to do it right for her though so it can be somewhat reliable. My fd has been insanely reliable to me, (although i only have 18k on the engine and turbos)

Im not so sure what to do to the FCs.
If she wants power i could give her my GT42r im not using yet
(jk)
seriously, though, i want to help this girl out.

Agent_D

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personally if she wants more i'd say pm kahren on his street ports, his stage 1 street port on stock ecu with full exhaust as only mod did 195whp leaning out the 460's, had an S-AFC2 on it giving more gas too.

his stage 1 street port should be capable of ~210-220whp with a stand alone and proper tuning, i dont know if he's doing this anymore, thats why i say PM him he will at least build her a motor if nothing else. N/A reliability and nice power.

then she can get an SDJ header, use a borla XR-1 2.5" muffler as a mid pipe (to make it quieter) and a decent catback, corksport if she doesnt care about the noise. and a few other things here and there

J-Rat

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Well, "Some Guy" doesnt tell us much. If he is able to do a TII conversion on a Vert, chances are one of us knows him. If we dont, then I would be wary.

As far as 300 RWHP, I have done it on a stock motor, as have many others. Its not a hard number to hit on a TII motor. 300 on a Vert is a vast difference then 300 on an FD. There is a signifigant weight penalty for the Vert.

Rat

iceblue

Not going to get 300whp on stock turbo.

3k sounds cheep if you think about it.

TII drive line
TII motor + rebuild
Hybrid turbo or tdo6 type of deal
FMIC
Boost controller $ if you get a good EBC
exhaust
EMS MSnS PnP is about best for the $
400 to 550 for a good rotary tuner + dyno time
Some of us ran into cooling issue with a FMIC even with a upgraded RAD "ducting solved this"
gauges


So you see a proper setup can get price. I realy think it can be done for 5k just takes some time.

As Rat said if he has done one chances are someone on here has heard of him.

bheiman

by 'some guy' i just wonder if the guy knows what he is talking about. Because he is telling her she is getting a (brand new) turbo 2 engine, boost controller, boost guage and that fuel cut defender and is going to be able to get 300 hp

it just seems like he is setting her up for a stock turbo 2 motor, with more boost and nothing else.
that dont sound to reliable to me.
all the guy is going to do is put the turbo 2 engine in and bolt it up to her (stock) driveline

I would like to build it right. And build it as reliable as possible.
the car runs perfect. she thinks 90k on the motor is alot of miles, for a car from 1990, i dont think thats too bad.

So what should i do. I am going to run a stand alone ems(megasquirt) and have it tuned by the best tuner in my area. I would like to see her push maybe around 250-300 hp and be reliable (or at least as reliable as my fd)

snowball

iceblue summed it up

classicauto

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well....

I would say just get the swap done...do the full drivetrain along with a couple basic mods:

Manual boost controller
FCD
Cleaned injectors
Walbro
Fresh plugs/wires etc.

There is a world of difference just between the N/A and TII motors in stock trim - we can all agree on that.....

Once its done let her get used to it, a stock TII motor with the boost cranked up can be loads of fun, not to mention nearly as reliable as they come.

iceblue

Lets not forget fuel. Pump injectors maybe a FPR all this is needed for more boost or bigger turbo.

Figure out exsactly where you are going to go so you spend your money once.

Do you want stock turbo 10psi TMIC 720cc injectors pump runing a Rtek chip?

Or do you want the next stage to get 300whp. There is alot more money involved here. See my above post.

raptor22

What is the deal on these:

http://www.camdensuperchargers.com/

Camden claims a 176 hp boost with the stock engine/injectors.

--Alex

socalrotor

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the deal....mr thread jacker is........SEARCH......and the suck BTW.

bradenscreed

K.I.S.S. - if shes running the stock vert rear end, i think it was the slowest one made, could be wrong, but if im right, why not swap out for a gxl rear end, or do the 4:30 rear, try that on, cause i know it made a world of difference in my friends vert, cheap as well....keep it simple....stupid....

Agent_D

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vert had 4.10's like the rest of the FC's, only automatic's had 3.90's

as for you socal rotor, read the rules, dont come in here posting "search"

J-Rat

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I say just do the conversion for her! You would be uber 1337!!!! Score!!

Jager

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Maybe you should search too instead of being a ****** , considering that verts DO come with a 3.90 gear ratio.

arghx

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Is she willing to accept the unreliability that comes with heavy modification (I consider an engine swap heavy)? Does she know how to wrench on cars? "Unreliable" is a relative term of course. Does she realize that she's going to have to start carrying tools with her everywhere? That she may have to deal with boost leaks, etc. and all sorts of nagging bullshit that happens when you modify a car? Suddenly she's going to have to start looking at her gauges more, checking oil, worrying about popping a motor... is she prepared for that?

I'm not saying this is a bad idea for a project, I'm just saying that any time you do an engine swap to a car you're not always going to be able to turn the key and go like you used to. Does she understand that? What is this girl's level of experience with actually working on cars? She needs to start reading up on exactly what this mechanic is going to do to her vehicle.

I've met a lot of people, many of whom are girls, who talk about how much they like cars, etc., and how they think modifying them is cool. Most of them just like to appreciate the final product though. They don't really understand what it's like to own a project car and daily drive it.

Maybe a few things like a 4.3 rear and full exhaust should be enough for her, unless she's REALLY sure she wants to do this.

cpubugs

I agree. Start small, If she has that much money have her stick it in a savings account and do small upgrades. If she likes it and can handle it step it up a notch. If you want to be good to her educate her and make sure she understands the pros and cons. Can she change her oil on her own? Has she ever driven a car with that much power. there are lots of ins and outs and if you don't help her correctly you may end up being the bad guy.

Agent_D

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since when do verts have 3.90 diff's?? every paper ive ever read says verts have the same 4.10 ratio as the other FC's. even the Factory Service Manual says verts are 4.10's.

look in the FSM under technical data for the Series 5 89-91, it plainly says auto (convertible) 3.909 (4.10)

in parenthesis meaning the vert. the S4 tech data doesnt list vert by itself, it just says manual's were 4.1 and auto's 3.909

Agent_D

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oh and even AUTOMATIC convertible's have 4.10 diffs. read the sticky on top of this section about FC options.

i agree with the others, have her start small if she doesnt know a lot, personally i think staying n/a and getting a decent powered port job will be better than going turbo for her.

bheiman

ok basically i was thinking...

Her block, street ported and 2mm apex seals
upgraded injectors (850s)
upgraded ignition- what should be used for upgraded ignition parts?

definatley a turbo, but im not sure what turbo to use, bigger turbo with less boost, or a middle sized turbo. what turbos should i look into?

Megasquirt V 3.0
t2 tranny, t2 rearend.

basically i am teaching her about cars (she will probobly go into an automotive program when she decides to go to college) it may take a little while but i think she will get it.

I am making her get into autoxing with her car the way it is now (stock) I know from experience going from a car with less power to a car with way more can be hard. (i went from a stock fox body mustang to my fd)
I am making her "master" her car the way it is now before she upgrades. Once she starts getting better, i will let her drive my fd quite a bit.
But in drag racing i will put her driving ability up to half the people out there. in drag racing she can be quite good.
But i explained to her how much more there is to a car than a straight line. she seems to get quite excited about learning.
Im just looking into stuff before hand.