87na33

ok i have fuel, spark, and comp. batt is charged starter is good. i just got new plugs. i have tried the deflooding i took all plugs out and turned it over holding the gas down. oh its a 87 na all stock by the way. i have not tried the oil in the plug holes yet but i got the engine from a buddy and i put 2stroke oil in the holes when the engine was on the ground to turn it over by hand. now if i have new plugs trying to get a flooded engine to start are the plugs going to foul and be bad? i can take the plugs out and keep the boot on and see a good blue spark so does that mean they are not fouled. my comp is 120 but is that b/c is flooded? i can pull the plug out wipe it off and try it again and when i pull the plug out again it looks wet and brown. now i did pull the crank angle sensor out to make sure it was lined up right, line up the mark on the sensor and drop it in with leading timing mark lined up. i really dont know what else to do.

hhn2002

holding the gas down while cranking in an s4 like yours will not stop the flow of the fuel if thats what your thinking bc thats only on s5s. 120psi is great comp. remove fuel pump fuse, crank over few times with all plugs removed then let dry overnight. try again with dry plugs the next morning.

pfsantos

iTrader: (1)

hhn2002 is right...remove EGI Inj fuse underhood, hold gas open (you do this on any car because it allows more air to go into the engine - only S5's have fuel cut), crank, etc....

If that doesn't work, pull spark plugs out, unplug CAS sensor (to disable ignition), remove EGI Inj. fuse, trottle open, crank., etc., to let fuel in chambers out...pour oil, put spark plugs in, plug in CAS and fuses, try starting again.

More detailed description in the Stickies or FAQ or archive, don't remember which.

V8slayer

I have seen people that have to do that more than once to work to, dont give up on 1st try

P.S Try a more descriptive title next time, we all ned help thats why we are in this section

87na33

thanks for the help and sorry about the title hey do u know if the car will start if there is no gear lube in the tranny?

pfsantos

iTrader: (1)

I'll start, but unless you have the clutch disengaged (pedal pushed constantly), you'll be spinning the input shaft in the tranny, which likes to be lubed.

87na33

i cranked it over with fuse out cas disconnected and fuel pump disconnected and all plugs out. i put oil in the bottom hole put everything back did not start. took plugs out looked soaked and had oil on them. i did everything again but not more oil this time. still did not start took plugs out again and looked the same. the plugs were new before i started this how much of this can the plugs take before i have to buy new ones again even though these plugs have never been ran.

freemanrx7

Are they factory NGK plugs?

Also put some jumpercables on so you def have full juice

87na33

yup ngk and i did have cables hooked up the whole time

Don49

iTrader: (3)

Try spraying the plugs with carburetor cleaner and dry them off before putting them back in. The plugs should be fine once they are clean. It sounds as though the plugs are oil fouled now.

87na33

i cleaned them with carb cleaner everytime i took them out

walken

iTrader: (6)

put everything back together except for your fuel fuse. (I think it's pink) then crank the car for about 15 secs. wait. now crank again and after about 3 seconds have a friend put that fuse back in while cranking. it should start or sound like it is trying. you might need to repeat a few times. this is how I've gotten a couple really flooded engines to start.

misterstyx69

iTrader: (142)

If you pulled your CAS..and then Lined it UP with the Mark on the sendor..that could be your Problem right there..Pull the CAS out..look at the BOTTOM..where the small gear is..there is a Mark on the CAS Casting that you line That gear up to..then you Stab the CAS as best you can and not making it move,put it back on the Engine.You can always adjust the Degree of timing by moving the CAS body back and forth..NOW.also make sure that you Have the CAS pugged in,the AFM plugged in..the Fuses for the EGI.Main Fuse are GOOD..the plugs and Wires are GOOD.that is all I can think of right now.

buttsjim

I wouldn't do the oil thing any more. The purpose of the oil is to seal the chamber to help restore compression. If you're already at 120psi, you have compression, and the oil is probably doing more harm than good.

87na33

i did line up the cas like the fsm told me and i took a spark plug out and tried it on every wire and seen spark go from plug to metal

freemanrx7

Have you tried starting fluid?

If you do spray it right at the throttle body where the plastic intake ends(top of motor). There are 2 bolts. Remove the top one and spray some in while someone else is cranking the engine. Be sure to close it right after spraying so it can fire up.


Freemanrx7 crosses fingers

87na33

i used some carb cleaner i sprayed it in the large of the 3 lines on top near where it says 13b i was told it goes to the rotor and i sprayed some right in the spark plug hole i dont know if i should have dont that but i did

freemanrx7

Did you have someone crank the engine while spraying? Make sure you use a red straw to spray it in there while its being cranked over. Also make sure you push the intake back on while cranking. The car will never start with this peice letting air bypass the afm.

Keep talking this site will help you out!

freemanrx7

When or why did it stop running?

You could also try checking the computer to see if it's in some kind of limp mode. I've read about it but have never done it. It seems fairly easy

87na33

i did not get a code out of it and i have 2 ecu and i dont think its that. i have an 87 that had a really bad smoking engine my buddy had an 86 na also and did a turbo swap so i bought his 86 na motor for 100 bucks. it was a complete longblock and the engine is getting 120 comp but i dont know if that comp is right since its flooded i think its reading higher than it is.

freemanrx7

So you installed a new engine and it won't start?


Have your buddy check over everything you did as far as installation

87na33

my buddy i got it from has tried to help me get it going he has no clue what it could be.

freemanrx7

Start a new thread Titled-- Installed engine won't start. IF you have good comp and have tried everything to get it started. There must be something important not hooked up. You will have to go through it step by step.

These cars can be stuburn sometimes

87na33

cool ill try with a new title