My Ultimate Turbo 6 Port Almost Street Legal Car!
10-04-05, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdv519
I would also like to know whats cheap???
Or is this some random fatherly advice.
Or is this some random fatherly advice.
Would using the lower cr turbo rotors and weights help keep the motor together? could you use the six port manifolds and irons rather than big porting?
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10-04-05, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by staticguitar313
no hes right cheap will bite you in the ***
To ImprezedRS: Are you considering any other manifolds since there is a history of reported problem wit hthe SS Autochrome manifold???
FWIW: rx7.com's acceleration calculator puts you at 9.81 secs in the 1/4 @ 149 mph. Thats including a 150lb driver.
10-04-05, 11:32 PM
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You know, considering most of the parts in a turbo engine are of a higher grade I think it would be incredibly wise to do that power goal with a turbo engine. I mean it looks like you have the $ so spend it smart, port out a S5 TII engine with a standalone...
10-04-05, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BlaCkPlaGUE
You know, considering most of the parts in a turbo engine are of a higher grade I think it would be incredibly wise to do that power goal with a turbo engine. I mean it looks like you have the $ so spend it smart, port out a S5 TII engine with a standalone...
Inlighten me on the higher grade parts in a turbo motor (I am aware of the stronger rear iron on a S5). The seal kit and apex seals are all the same per series. Rotors are different compression (NA vs Turbo)and weight (S4 vs S5). Are you saying that there is an actual composition difference in the aluminum housings and/or irons, of a turbo motor vs an NA motor of the same series?
10-04-05, 11:40 PM
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i dis agree with what everone says about ss autochrome parts or xs power parts, theres nothing wrong with them they all work great and do exaclty what there made to do, they also hold up very well too. by the way i already had the SS autochrome ful exhaust on the car, no problems with it, i had the xs power BOV on there to never had any issues with it, i also had the xs power intercooler, no issues there either. There stuf is not junk ****, maybe there old stuff was to but from talking to them there stuff is al made by different people now.
10-04-05, 11:49 PM
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yea, you guys keep thinking of ****** years ago with the honda **** ssauto made. we already have people here running the same manifold he got. no cracks, just alot of damn boost. everything will be fine.
10-05-05, 12:03 AM
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Their manifolds still suck, they've found a decent welder, but whoever does their drilling drinks a bit too much on the job, those bastards couldn't drill a flange squarely if they tried! There's really not going to be much a difference now with that massive turbo verse if it was on a turbo motor, the spool time is going to drop off pretty badly, which makes the high compression rotors pretty much useless, though they will post some better numbers at low boost, but to get in the 500range you'll be needing to run 100+octane with a TON of alcohol in one peice, and a good tuner. This setup won't be cheap, even if he's using the cheap hardware to do it. (Figure the price for a decent tuner, installing the standalone, new mounts, probably a new diff/flywheel/clutch/scattershield/driveline/etc)
10-05-05, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdv519
I would also like to know whats cheap???
Or is this some random fatherly advice.
Or is this some random fatherly advice.
I would love to have seen what this set-up could do with a Garrett GT42 in it...
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10-05-05, 12:52 AM
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its not really fatherly advice, its smart advice. he's trying to keep you from spending oodles more when you blow the engine from doing cheap things, i wouldnt take offense to it. if you want a good car that runs well you are gonna have to dump money in, half assing things is going to lead to spending way more money. just my .02 cents.
10-05-05, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaCkPlaGUE
You know, considering most of the parts in a turbo engine are of a higher grade I think it would be incredibly wise to do that power goal with a turbo engine. I mean it looks like you have the $ so spend it smart, port out a S5 TII engine with a standalone...
Well we can start with the fact that your going to get a higher boost with lower compression rotors. We can also tell you that the oil pump in the TII is better than the NA counterpart. I can also tell you that the 4 port Irons flow better than 6 when ported. I can also tell you that the manifolds for the TII are far better suited for an intercooler/turbo setup than any NA manifolds.
Don't get me wrong, NA turboing is a great idea, for those that just want turbo power. But seriously, for high HP applications, stick to parts that were designed with forced induction in mind for overall better reliability at that high of an HP level.
Not to mention your going to need it running that much boost+HP.
Just my opinion, don't rag me on it, read it and disagree if you wish.
10-05-05, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BlaCkPlaGUE
Well we can start with the fact that your going to get a higher boost with lower compression rotors. I can also tell you that the 4 port Irons flow better than 6 when ported. I can also tell you that the manifolds for the TII are far better suited for an intercooler/turbo setup than any NA manifolds.
10-05-05, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
First off, higher boost means next to nothing. Who caresif you run 25psi on a low compression motor? A high compression engine will make the same power at 18psi (vague comparison, but close enough to true), so there's no need to run as much 'boost', so that first sentence makes little to no sense. Second, the N/A ports can be made quite a bit larger than the TII's, except for the primary (which can made pretty close). Also, he's going to be using the TII manifolds, not the N/A's, so the third sentence gets tossed as well!
10-05-05, 07:30 PM
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I have the T70 turbo your goin to use on my FC. I have only heard good things about this turbo. Nice to see something like this happening. I wish I could do what your doin, your goin to have one nutty car!
10-05-05, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BlaCkPlaGUE
hey man, thats what I've read ok. Its not 'bullshit' thats what I've read on these forums. I just honestly think that spending all that money on an NA engine isn't feesable, thats all. Its just my opinion, im glad you pointed that stuff out, thats what a forum is for, theres no need to get upset.
10-05-05, 08:08 PM
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lol, don't get me wrong, I think this engine will end up as #3 on his belt, but that's just a combo of trying to peice things together using things that are just good enough to get you by, but when done properly and a lot of money is spent (read, SS lines, surge tank, scatter shield, new flywheel, balanced, ported, reinforced iron, hardened gears, rrfpr, good wastegate, professional tuner, etc), which just what I was trying to throw in, but in my usual smart-*** way
10-05-05, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
SS lines, surge tank, scatter shield, new flywheel, balanced, ported, reinforced iron, hardened gears, rrfpr, good wastegate, professional tuner
all of these will be applied to this car, well most, will definatly be professional tuned
10-05-05, 10:10 PM
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^^ good stuff, i was going to turbo the targa FC but i'm actually picking up a black s5 for my 6-port turbo car since it has a atkins re-build with 3mm apex seals, more cushion for mistakes that i'll most surely make.
Your really going all out this time, it'll be nice to see how it turns out, hopefully you get done soon bc i hate waiting for updates :P
Your really going all out this time, it'll be nice to see how it turns out, hopefully you get done soon bc i hate waiting for updates :P
