FrankV702

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my turbo vert with a T70 got VERY good gas mileage going to sevenstock from las vegas.. i had a lil more then half a tank going from vegas to barstow this last year.. but I barely was even touching the gas the way over there.. if you start slowing down.. touch the gas, the turbo spools and carrys you right back up to speed

ExSr20kidF2

i raced a b18 hatch...its a pretty close race but he had me, they dont really pull all that good above 60mph....so maybe a good roll?

good luck

Aaron

xxtremes33

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do u know which b18 he had in his hatch? b18a? b18b? b18c? not all b18s are vtec. the dohc vtec motors pull very well above 60mph, so maybe his was a b18a or b18b maybe?

ExSr20kidF2

nah it was a b18c1 GSR motor...im not impressed. well than again every other honda guy thinks he's got the best motor..."it redlines at 9000+" w/e man. it was a nice car but compared to my 13b it wasnt very impressive. just my .02

FrankV702

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Vtecs arent God! just because they have it dont mean theyll beat anything.. I can play with a GSR with a B18C1 after it hits Vtec. ive played with a Type R that had a B18C5. and 3rd gear is that special gear for Rotaries

I personally think a NA FC has a good chance with a GSR with some light mods and a good driver. a TII FC i wouldnt even waste my time racing an integra

phoenix7

this thread delivers.

in NA or TII, I wouldn't waste my gas with a HONDA.

aN NA with bolt-ons and a bad clutch can kill a honda!!! maybe even with non-working 5th and 6th ports!! well, maybe not but you get the picture.


hondas are awesome DD cars but that's all they're good for.

FrankV702

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+1 a honda will eat my car up when it comes to puttin down gas mileage

phoenix7

gotta love the 35+ mpg.

the 7>> <<<honda

Rocky071

For the record, you can shift where you like, a GSR w/out any sort of transmission mods is going to fall out of VTEC for a brief period w/ the switch from 1st to 2nd. A lot of GSR owners even talk about "why would Honda do that?" =P

Mx6-Rx7 Addict

Ok, you have no right to to tell someone they shouldn't be street racing to complain about the body code of a car when you think a TII Rx-7 can't hang with a 300ZX TT. I'm pretty sure there are more than enough FC's on this forums within the 11-10 second 1/4 Times. You need to refrain that statement.

Here's J-Rat's 10th anny TII
https://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-dyno-128/new-et-11-116-%2Avid%2A-598048/
Is the video not enough?

https://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-dyno-128/first-time-track-11-66%40120-579206/
Ok so FC TII's that run 11.66 1/4 times aren't fast enough to touch a 300zx TT?

Your KA24 truck piston motor with a 2.4 liter rating has 1.1 more of displacement than a 1.3 liter 13B. So don't you feel special that you need that much more dispacement to put down what a healthy modded NA should put down?

Oh yeah, and an Rx-8 has a better chance of beating a 300zx TT?
http://www.modernracer.com/mazdarx8.html



Maybe you should stick with your truck motor and your camry forum.

SASSER

I beat a hondata/exhaust GSR in my n/a S5 by 3 cars, so it's possable.

micah

Nice edit. LOL.

SASSER

Yea, I thought about it and would be a good idea to drop the "omgz 300zx z31 is teh b3st carr evar1!" topic and get back to the real topic... Maybe that's just me.

Peoples opinions, are just peoples opinions.
Like the fact that I would pick a mint kept FC over a nice z31 anyday, but this is also one's opinion...

Funny how 70% of the RX7 comminity hypes the rotary and the 7 on the streets and around friends, but then get on a all rx7 forum and do nothing, but talk about how slow they are and how many cars are better. I meant sad, not funny... sorry for the typo.

PS: Didn't the VC30DETT mak at 300hp and 283tq, not 320hp and 300tq. And added a **** load more weight to an even heavier car? My friend has one and he calls it a whale..

phoenix7

you should have left it. And we established that the Z31 is the turbo and the z32 is TT.

It's not the best car ever but it's one of the 90's supercars of japan (IMHO) along with

the 3000GT VR4 TT
Supra TT
and RX7 TT

and no and NA cannot and will not keep up with any of those. A TII will need plenty of mods and weight redux to keep up and/or beat them. J-rat's car will kill them STOCK. If all the cars were modded the same way then we're back to square one.

don't race a honda. It's like taking candy from a retarded baby. It's just wrong, but you can't stop laughing.



I drive an NA everyday and I can honestly tell you that it's quick but not FAST enough to kill a TT anything. The turbo with mild mods cannot keep up either. Some of us are realistic and won't lie and say this car can kill everything.



PHX-
"I park in the handicap spaces, while the handicap ppl make handicapped faces."

SASSER

Here's a few stuff....

1. The VC30DETT(which was a z32, z31 was the 1st gens) made 300hp and 283tq And added more weight to an already heavier car from it's 1st gen make.
My friend has one and he calls it a whale.

2. your sizing up two diff totally cars...
FC 1986-1991USA S5160hp 200hp
300zxTT late1990-1996USA 300hp
Plus we have all seen what happens to twin turbos factory made. They make great power from the factory floor, but when you upgrade the **** out of them it's best to go with a big single turbo setup the size of a new born baby.



An N/A FC without full bridgeport+ AND nos won't beat a 300zxTT, but a T66 bridgeport TurboII would eat the **** out of it.

I had a S5 as follows...
Bridgeported
full custom exhaust straight 2.5 pipe
550 secondary injectors
safc
fireball hi-6
koyo radiator
HKS filter
I kept up with my friends 300zxTT pretty good like a car or two, so I see no probelm for the same mild mods on a turboII spanking it. But he's also a fatty, so.

phoenix7

what mods on the Z?

phoenix7

http://zhome.com/rnt/Dyno/DynoNDSOCresultsAu.htmso it has 269rwhp bone stock ( with 30% drivetrain loss; I think that's a bit too high)

vs. 160rwhp (what a common NA can push with only bolt-ons and NO engine mods)

weight on an NA ~2800
weight on the TT~3299

I find it hard to believe with equal drivers.

"I kill WRXs( intake and exhaust) in a stock TII ( exhaust and intake) but they just can't launch." i think saying that misrepresents the both cars.

SASSER

Exhaust done at same place, safcII, shortthrow, 350z wheels, FMIC, HKS bovs, 10psi on stock turbos, Walbro Fuel Pump, msd blaster coils.

You say 160rwhp with no engine mods, So... Intake, Header, Stickers?
(BTW that's S5 weight stats. S4's are lighter. Oh and with just the real "bolt-on" term used an S5 would only be making around 145-155whp, that's what we got when me and my friend Dynoed our S5's with just intake and full exhuast done. Oh and stickers.)

N/A RX7 can't beat 300zx with just boltons, unless it's using the V8 bolt-on kits by grannyspeed or something. Hell if you define bolt-ons as nothing to do with the engine which is not true, bolt-ons are what they mean, bolt-ons. Parts that can be bolted on without new gaskets, draining, cutting, or special tools. Which in this case not alot is optioned to be bolt-ons for a rotary N/A that gives nice power like turbocharged cars gain, so I think that's alittle unfair terms. I would say with bolt-ons with nothing higher than a extended streetport would be in the more fair range for a guess-ta-mation on rwhp vs etc. Atleast 7/10 people who have n/a's on this forums atleast have a street port or a fresh nice rebuild.

PS: Bolt-ons would NOT include piggyback's or turning up boost, like that 350whp 300zx. Last time I checked you don't need bolt's to install them, just to mount them after cutting and wiring and tuning, etc.

MaczPayne

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Get an s4 sport, bridgeport that, get a haltech, racing beat true duals, and maybe you'll round up enough ponies to take a stock z32.

I have a sport, but that sucker's staying stock and emissions legal! The T2 however.... is not gonna be Earth-friendly.

86gxltiller

I had a custom bat-back exhaust, and just a cone filter on my 86 gxl when I had it. I ended up beating my buddy in the 1/8th against a 98 gsr, and he had k&n intake, and greddy cat-back

wthdidusay82

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I think my s4 na would beat a gsr but i have yet to race one

my mods are as follows :

1. Streetported engine from rotary resurrection , all intake ports ported, exhaust diffuser cut out

2. racingbeat header , straight pipe (no cat), borla catback exhaust (2.5" before y pipe, dual 2" after)

3. lightweight steel racingbeat flywheel (7 lbs lighter than stock), centerforce dual friction clutch, all new mazdaspeed motor and tranny mounts

4. removed 5/6 ports, ported throttlebody, k&n intake, bonez maf adapter,corksport intake kit with exhaust heat wrap around it

5. removed a/c, power steering, air pump, all emissions/emissions rack, and interior rugs , have no spare tire either

6. magnecore 8.5 mm sparkplug wires, redline synthetic tranny and diff fluid (although i have an open diff)

7. kumho ecsta spt 205 50 15" tires, dtss eliminators, front strut bar

I'm assuming I have 180-190+ hp , I know it could be alot more if I had the car tuned with an safc or some kind of fuel controller on a dyno with a wideband.

SASSER

i would say 165-175whp for your S4 would be a fair quote with that setup seeing as your not running a standalone or piggyback to get the full effect and benefit of the port. Which is more than what a stock GSR dynos to the wheels at.

jdm12a

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i would say do intake, exhaust, TB MOD, relatively cheap and easy mods. not saying your goin to beat the gsr but the best chance u have is to beat the driver. out of the 10 or so gsr's in my town only 2 of the drivers can really drive, and to be honest seeing some of the other guys, i was somewhat in shock that they drove so bad, so the average wanna be racer buys a honda, and those guys that dont know what theyre doing and try to take the "easy" way out and buy the most common car, usually dont know what theyre doing and take a month to shift. i beat a 97 (i think) gsr with rails, header, exhaust, intake and a turbo civic with boltons @9psi in my lightly modded first gen, not cuz my car was faster, but seriously, those 2 kids shifted so slow i almost went to sleep. a friend of mine also beat the turbo civic in his stock saturn sc2 5spd, so that jus goes to show u with a retard drivin u can beat them, goodluck

Aaron Cake

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This thread is going nowhere, because truthfully, it had nowhere to go. Closing now.