Hey guys hope you can shed light on something for me:

(b4 i start getting flamed for being a dumbass n00b, just wanna say that I've only recently acquired my FC.)

In a couple of my many late night/early morning practices (which i've mostly spent getting used to the car and hopefully learning better control of it at the same time), I tried several manouevres with the handbrake, and i think mine must need adjustment or something, coz i've been quite unsuccessful in executing them. I'm talking about J-turns and handbrake-initiated drifts. No matter how hard and sudden I pull the bloody lever, the rear wheels don't lock. I encountered this with my first car (Nissan Primera - don't know what it's called in the US, might be Sentra?) as well, and I never figured out whether it was the ABS, weak handbrake cable or some kind of idiot-proof electronic system which was preventing me from locking the rear wheels.

Anyway, before I jump into anything, I just wanted to clarify with other FC owners out there whether you guys are able to execute said techniques, or whether it's just me/my car. I'm a drift enthusiast and not having a usable handbrake makes it quite challenging to lose rear wheel traction at low speeds (i don't drift at high speeds yet coz I don't have anywhere to practice).

 

The handbrake is usually the weakest braking part, alot of cars you can have it full on and you can still drive away and not even notice! its only meant to secure the vehicle from movie stationary, not to secure it while moving.

Im not sure how those other hand brakes work... the ones where you can pull j-turns etc.

 

It is possible to drift though using the Hand brake...

 

Is this a real ? I would want to spin the REAR WHEEL DRIVE tires to drift.

 

well one thing u said is low speeds.....
from my experience it is hard to kick off the rear in any low speed drift....
well your 87 FC, is it TII? if it is, the Clutch Type LSD is better for drifting....
anyways, what I personally do is power over drift, but i've heard people use fient drifting or shift locking too can work....

well if u are fast enough, and a FAST jolt from the Ebrake WILL lock your rears.... and also adjust your handbrake cable so that it only lifts roughly 45 degrees so when u jolt it, u will have the FULL "power" of the ebrake....

 

you should try asking your question on this form: http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/forumd...php?forumid=37
they're all into the drift scene.

 

Thanks guys

I've got a copy of the Haynes repair manual, and the diagram clearly indicates that the handbrake is directly connected to the rear brake calipers through a cable, so I do think that theorectically the handbrake should be able to allow you to do more than just keep the vehicle stationary.

I'm just wondering whether it's part of the design, i.e., factory standard weak force applied to calipers or something with the springs or cable. If other s4 FC drivers are able to lock their rear wheels or upset rear wheel traction during forward motion by using the handbrake (and depressing the clutch of course), then I suspect my problem's probably just a worn cable.

 

ok good you know to press in your clutch while pulling the e-brake, and how fast are you going about? anything under 25 is gona be pretty pointless to use your e-brake unless your weight is already transferd or its wet out, and you should make it so you only have to pull up on it no more then 2 inch's for it to be fully engaged so ya you might need to tighten it. and if you want to get your rear end out and you have LSD then just give it full throttle and tap the clutch to send a jolt of power through your drive line and it will break the rear loose just dont do it to often or to hard of you will break something and it wont be pretty. and this is gettitng long so just pm me cuz im into the drifting thing too and just got my FC but i have been drifting for about a year so i know some stuff

 

The handbrake is one of the main methods to initiate a drift...

 

hmmm i could execute most maneuvers at 30mph or less in my Lancer (around 2 light posts in a parking lot) using the handbrake. No need to go fast for me to have sideways fun!

Havn't tried it in my 7, she needs a new clutch so it slips before the tires do

dont see why it couldnt help in a 7 tho just start to cut the wheel, give it 1 good yank and put it down, then get on the gas and counter. Not the best form but, u can work w/ it.

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it can be done i do it all the time getting into to my drive way

 

I've heard dropping to 2nd and popping the clutch works to lock the tires. I don't know how fast one must be going to do this though.

 

^ How woudl that lokc the tires?

It may give you a suden burst of power to brake them loose, but not lock them unless you are doign somethign VERY wrong.

 

no, that is called Clutch Kick and shift lock

Clutch Kick
This is performed by depressing the clutch pedal on approach or during a mild drift, then the clutch is "popped" to give a sudden jolt through the driveline to upset rear traction.

Shift Lock Drift
This is performed by letting the revs drop on downshift into a corner and then releasing the clutch to put stress on the driveline to slow the rear tires inducing over steer. This is like pulling the E-brake through a turn, but this should be performed on wet ground to minimize damage to the driveline.

here ange10 http://www.driftsession.com/technique.htm

 

^^^ yep

the difference here is you clutch in and let off the clutch without blipping the throttle.

pretty harsh on your drivetrain!

noob 5spd drivers are masters of this technique.

 

*laughs* Yea, my brother managed some impressive stuff when I was teaching him to drive stick.

As for me, my ebrake doesn't engage, period. I'm pretty sure I have a broken cable somewhere (or at least separated). It's on the list to fix... along with the 200 other things.

-=Russ=-

 

Man in my 91 n/a which I drive in the rain I can get my rear end out there pretty easy. On the AE theres a reason I don't drive it in the rain..Anyways this was a pretty informative thread I liked that link in the previous post.

 

hmm well it looks like i'll have to do some adjustment to the handbrake cable then. seems like an easy job (i hope). must do it now!!

 

Richard throw up the link of the spin noob.

1000!

 

Here it is, sry just got my comp back.

http://www.stageoneimports.com/main....=CUSCO-STK#buy

 

back to the hand brake,

The rear E/hand brake should be fully locked at 4 to 7 clicks up on the hand brake. It is is not then readjust the cable and e brake

 

wrong post, whoops