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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 11:47 PM
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any body use these...if so whats needed and what kinda numbers you get?

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_...roducts_id=117

they look extra sexy to me and well worth the time to research this
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 12:57 AM
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Wow, looks great. Other than the lack of air filter and AN fuel fittings, it looks like a good way to adapt fuel injection to oldstyle race manifolds or former Weber installations. It's not worth 800 bux IMO, unless you want it for its looks.
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 05:58 AM
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If you want big power from an NA 13B (250hp+), it's worth every penny. The stock EFI manifold does not belong on seriously ported engines. If you buy it just because you think it's looks good, you're wasting your money.
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 07:25 AM
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acutally its 657$ (aud converted to usd) and this is my project, it can be afforded, and looks most definitely arent my concern. i do want a pretty heavy na setup, i love turbo, but that is for another project. also about the filter part. look on thier websit, they offer a k&n setup for it. all im wanting ot know is if anyone has used them yet and how well they perform.
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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If you want cheaper, you could always get a dual throttle body with injectors and such from a big v-twin bike. The hard part would be fitting it to an intake manifold. The pic shows a TB from an RC51 that's being used on a P-port 13b in an FD (not mine).
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dr. gonzo
acutally its 657$ (aud converted to usd) and this is my project, it can be afforded, and looks most definitely arent my concern. i do want a pretty heavy na setup, i love turbo, but that is for another project. also about the filter part. look on thier websit, they offer a k&n setup for it. all im wanting ot know is if anyone has used them yet and how well they perform.
What stand-alone EMS are you getting (got already?) to control the fuel?
Or do you expect the stock ECU to be adequate?


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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 08:34 AM
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the best way to do is get some itb's from a 1000gsxr and mount ity on the lim. then go stand alone. there is a write up on home made turbo to do it on your honda.
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 10:17 AM
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the plan was haltech, already ruled out stock ecu
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 07:34 PM
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I have twm itb's on my na fc, works great. Street port 6 port w/Haltech e6k here.

winding out 1st and 2nd, loses it in 1st with the crappy street tires:
http://pengaru.com/~swivel/cars/rx-7..._5236.divx.avi
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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I have a set of 55 ITB's , Haltech E6X for the Peri-port project.
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NZConvertible
If you want big power from an NA 13B (250hp+), it's worth every penny. The stock EFI manifold does not belong on seriously ported engines. If you buy it just because you think it's looks good, you're wasting your money.
The only things hard to fab in order to functionally duplicate that is the air horns and precise throttle plate tolerances (which don't matter when the power is developed at WOT). But then again, I always see things from the fabricators perspective anyhow; if making something like that is not your idea of fun, better to spend the money I guess. Does it come with a manifold? I wasnt implying using ITBs on the stock manifold, lol, where did you think I was envisioning their placement?

There is no magic in air horns, throttle bodies and injector bosses and fuel rails, which is all you get for $800. I bought my Taurus SHO for less than that, man I must be a redneck.
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dr. gonzo
any body use these...if so whats needed and what kinda numbers you get?

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_...roducts_id=117

they look extra sexy to me and well worth the time to research this
Handy for keeping larger animals out of your intake
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 11:17 AM
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so basically noone knows what kind of numbers this will help produce, just a large animal deterent?!?
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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It's hard to say, you can't just change the throttles without switching to speed/density or straight alpha-n. Switching to the ITB's will likely result in changing many other things, so telling you how much of the power gain is a product of just the ITB's is hard to say. Nobody switches to ITB's just to hack the stock ECU onto it with the AFM still choking it.

If you went to a speed/density setup, with well matched ITB's to your setup, street ported, good compression, good tune, well flowing manifolds (not the stock ones as-is!) you should be able to get between 220-250hp @ the flywheel revving to 9k. So much here depends on you and your ability to fabricate and tune however, your mileage might vary.

One thing I can say is a result of the ITB's is awesome response, the engine responds like a fuel injected sport bike with this arrangement well tuned.
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 03:31 PM
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Like SirCygnus said I would get some bike TB's, but use GSXR750 ones, I am not sure of the year but they had the largest size TB's of the suzuki's. And they can be had for under $200 and this usually includes fuel rails and throttle position sensor.
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 03:47 PM
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alright, awesome....thanks for you help guys....when i get this project off the ground ill let ya know all about it
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gatlin
If you want cheaper, you could always get a dual throttle body with injectors and such from a big v-twin bike. The hard part would be fitting it to an intake manifold. The pic shows a TB from an RC51 that's being used on a P-port 13b in an FD (not mine).
That's TYSON's setup. He's local to me. Very nice...Obviously, standalone required...
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