fc3schick87

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ok, heres my problem. i have the stock turbo, s5. and i need to take it out for the 3rd time. first time i went to an s5 turbo, 2nd time i replaced turbine because i popped a seal. 3rd time, because i realized previous owner didnt port the turbo enough and i have boost spike


with that said.
first time we took it out it took us about 2 hours to connect the hard lines because they needed bending to match up. flanges would not thread because it was not lined up well

last time i took out the turbo, i removed the turbine to replace it with one that didnt leak oil. put it back in . bolted down the 6 bolts and the turbo was counter clockwise by about 3-5 mm. it took 4 hours of bending to get each and every one of the tubes back on properly, i even snapped one of the banjo bolts for the coolant.

what i am thinking is as simple as cutting out about 3-5 inches or 20% of each line closes to the flanges/fittings and replacing it with steal braided lines with clamps. only problem is i dont know where to buy the stuff or get it made localy. i've tried a hydrolic place but they wont touch cars. only break lines and such

i do NOT want to spend so much money for A/N fittings because, again. idk what size i need or ANYTHING of that sort. and i dont have that much money to go a/n. its a stupid stock turbo i dont need something as fancey as a/n.

so pretty much i am looking for help and ideas other then just using coolant line, beaded ends, and clamps for the coolant to and from the turbo. because the oil line can not be done this way. oil line need more then a rubber hose like with coolant.

fc3schick87

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i guess i could get some flanges made for the oil, get a hole put in them with the proper threading for a/n fitting. and rout the oil lines that way.
then use a nipple fitment for the coolant to replcae the banjo bolt with a nipple for a hose, but then i'd need a flange for that one too...

i just need to know what size i should get for oil, and for coolant.

but thats going to be alot of money

TitaniumTT

I think it would be a complete waste of time to cut into the factory hardlines and add some type of aftermarket line to them. It probably wouldn't gain you anything in terms of flexibilty and you'll be adding three potential leaks per splice.

There are hardline adapters made that are good for a few hundred PSI but you would need to trim back about 3- 3.5" just to get the two fittings on.

I would ditch the factory coolant line and just tap the manifold for a pipe thread and then use a pipe->AN adapter in the manifold. On the turbo side you can try to source a banjo fitting (look in the carbuerator sections) or just get a adapter that utilizes a crush washer and a standard AN fitting. For the return, isn't that a rubber hose anyway?

The oil feed, there are adapters available for the flange at the turbo to convert it to an AN fitting. From there pick up the same feed on the front housing with an adapter suited for a crush washer and an AN line. The drain should be flexible enough not to give you any issues. If not, again there are adapters out there that are suited.

As for exactely what the flange adapters are, I have no idea. I managed to find mine on Ebay a few years ago. Although, this was for a set of REW twins so it might be slightly different for the S4/5 turbos.

I think it's a waste of time and money to splice lines together. I'd rather build them all new and have a little less worry about them.

TitaniumTT

Oh, I'm also less and less impressed with the flexibility of the stainless braided line. YEARS ago I thought it was the **** because I could make my own lines that would easily release. Rubber seizes and there are a few on these cars that are just nightmares to deal with. With AN fittings all you need is about 1/2 a turn with a wrench and the rest you can loosen by fingers. I just spent another $400 on some new braided line, basically the generic Jegs version of the Aeroquip Starlight Nomex racing hose. We'll see how all that works out.

Oh - Jegs seems to consistantly be the cheapest with thier own brand. And I've been told to NEVER mix one brand of fittings with another brands hose. For low pressure you should be ok, but I wouldn't trust fuel because of how flamable it is nor would I trust oil becuase of the mess and the pressures seen.

fc3schick87

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thats alot to take in but i think i understand. what your saying is that they do sell flanges that would fit my stock stuff. i just have to find it?

or rather could i just take my old stock flanges, cut off and grind smooth the tube, and weld the an BUNG to it and use a female fitting and go on from there. i think i'd hvae more luck doing it that way then trying to find flanges that will fit. since i lack any common sense about doing the research and finding proper stuff.

the main concern is the in for the coolant, and the in for the oil.


also you said something about stainless steal lines being a nightmere? are you talking about the type of fittings that most resemble our oil cooler lines? where its not like a compression fitting but you have to actualy rotate the hose itself?

an is awesome because it is most like a compression fitting and its so easy to connect and disconnect with out the hastle of all that stuff. i hated removing my oil cooler lines. i never like doing it.

i am still not sure what size i should use for the coolant in, oil in, and oil out. coolant out i am not the least bit worried about. but the oil out is a lil bit tough for me for what ever reason.

SirCygnus

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oil -4AN, and coolant -6AN.

there are flanges out there that are cheap as ****. You dont NEED ss line. just go to VATO zone, and get some hose.

done.

oil inlet
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/F7-T3...95#ht_4107wt_0

oil outlet
http://www.tunertoys.com/ProductDeta...tCode=ODFAN38K

Water outlet from the intake manifold is a standard oil inlet flange, and the inlet to the turbo, i dont know. go measure the bolt at lowes. they have a wall with nuts and bolts and a ruler for measuring most any bolt you have. write this info down.

then get a fitting that allows you to simply screw in and mount a AN fitting to and your golden.

oil outlet you can use the standard shitty thing.if you want, i got some un bent lines that you can HAVE.

or you can go here
http://www.2751engineering.com/2751parts.html
for more info.

fc3schick87

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how could i get hose from autozone for the coolant. mixing stuff together may cause leaks. i could use coolant line for the inlet if i use nipples with clamps. but not for an fittings, oil line. as far as the bent lines. idk what application i could use them for.
and as far as that flange for 17$. thats not cheep as ****.

and idk if it will fit the stock turbo. my turbo is "F7 T3/T4"? so the flange is a generic flange?

these things i do not know. and i cant just walk into a shop to get things fitted and tested out because there arnt any shops like that here. and no one to help me with this ****.

SirCygnus

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autozone sells a plethora of hoses. i forgot what size you will need, but i use plenty of the stuff on my car. its 5 bucks for like 1.5 feet of teh stuff.

its fine dont worry to much over it. its simpler than you think. its very hard to mess up.

yes the s5 turbo uses a generic flange. it works. i know because i bought one from ebay and it works like a charm. that particular one from that particular company.

my bad, im using this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Funct...to#ht_2154wt_0

fc3schick87

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**** is overwelming..... maybe i wont do the oil drain. i dont understand it. and 10an seems large. and expencive. maybe i am in over my head with this ****....

and btw. you corrected yourself with what one you used on your car. this confuses me of what one i need for my 7. also . i rather know where to get the proper stuff for the coolant in. and a good site to buy a/n fittings. i cant find them on sumit.
as far as autozone goes. if i am using a/n fittings i wont want to use the damn rubber hoses from autozone for the oil. i dont see how that could work.

and i wont use autozone hoses with a/n in fear of leaks. unless told otherwise.

SirCygnus

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can you tie your shoes? if so you can knock these out.

fc3schick87

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i can, but i really need examples. i cant get a grasp of it because i cant see it.

i just dont see how autozone crappy hoses can work with a/n fittings if they are compression type of fittings. i've read about them leaking if you dont stick with one brand

fc3schick87

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AH you edited it again lol... well that part about the coolant makes sence i guess i didnt see it the first time. unless you edited that part. that makes complete sence.

SirCygnus

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they work with those fittings. the way i have my fuel line is that i simply stuck some of the auto zone hoses on, and added an fittings to the other ends. the hoses fit just fine. dont get the barbed AN fittings. get these

http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/index...pt=Swivel-Seal

get the appropriate size and whatever.

TitaniumTT

Function 7 is actually where I got my drain flange. NICE machined piece - top notch and I've seen plenty of machined pieces to be able to tell which is nice, and which is ****.

Why get a flange for the water outlet from the mani? That's just another potential leak. You've got the flange, and then the fitting. Why not just eliminate the flange all together?

As for the water in to the turbo - check out some of these guys. I don't know what the thread is. If you have a tap and die set you can figure it out easy enough. Get the right fitting and screw the line on.

BTW - SummitRacing has a much better search function than Jegs. I usually get the part number I need from Summit and then buy it from Jegs with all the fitting that I need.Summit Racing.com -> Departments -> Plumbing ->Fittings & Plugs -> AN to Metric Adapters -> Fitting size 1 -> Fitting size 2 is what is in the top of the front iron - Prob M10x1.5 but I don't know for sure off the top of my head. BAM http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...115+4294901852
That should be the fitting you need for the front iron. You can very confidently mix fittings amoung brands and the fitting, the head degree and the threads are all standard. So you can thread that fitting into the Iron and then use anyone elses fitting to connect to that.

You can measure the bolt to bolt spacing. Function 7 provides that info to make sure they all fit. $17 is nothing.

Barbs with clamps is another way to go but then you loose the benefit of being able to use a wrench to remove the fitting

That would more than likelt be a disaster. Use AN hose with AN fittings

Are you ******* serious?

SirCygnus

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not really. the rubber hose works just fine. whats the problem? will it fly off unexpectedly after 50k miles on my other car and 2k miles on this one?

no. it wont. its fine. its under the hood. it dont need to be pretty.

fc3schick87

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heres what he helped me with tonight. pretty much what i need and how i need to do it for the oil feed line