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10-07-06, 11:26 AM
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bigger? the stock one is quite big. search for CAI prelude intake. a 92-94 (i think thats the year) prelude intake can be made to fit qutie easily. do that, heat wrap it, make a box around the filter, and your set!
10-07-06, 12:30 PM
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I have a s4 TII, 720 secondarys,rtek 1.7,ported wg,3" turbo back exhaust,sbc-id boost controller,safc, few other mods . From whhat ive read theres a big diffrence in a bigger itnake tube . . . How do I go about making one etc. and was wodnering if anyone had any pictures.
10-08-06, 10:30 AM
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Go to the plumbing store and buy an assortment of ABS pipe. Get 3" to fit the filter, a few 45 degree bends and then a 3" to 2.5" coupler to connect to the turbo and a 3" coupler to mount to the AFM. Mock it all up in the car before gluing, making sure to keep the AFM level.
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10-08-06, 02:33 PM
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I can tell you from my fluid dynamics classes (fluid = gas or liquid, not just liquid) and from my job involving both water and air piping that a bigger pipe will not make any significant difference. If the intake pipe were 50' long it would help, but it isn't. Worry about the AFM, etc. Each of those counts as several yards of pipe.
There is exactly X HP of losses in the stock intake. Your "gains" cannot exceed X no matter how unrestrictive you make the intake. Only higher airflow will increase X. There is only A/B/C/etc. HP of losses in each part of the intake (A + B + C + etc. = X; I am simplifying things a bit, since there is some interaction between A & B, B&C, etc., but this is approximately true). Your "gain" for each segment cannot exceed A/B/C/etc. So you can't "gain" any real HP from upsizing the pipe because there is hardly anything lost in the pipe. Your HP "gains" come from recovering what's lost in the stock intake. You can't create more HP out of nothing with an intake.
There is exactly X HP of losses in the stock intake. Your "gains" cannot exceed X no matter how unrestrictive you make the intake. Only higher airflow will increase X. There is only A/B/C/etc. HP of losses in each part of the intake (A + B + C + etc. = X; I am simplifying things a bit, since there is some interaction between A & B, B&C, etc., but this is approximately true). Your "gain" for each segment cannot exceed A/B/C/etc. So you can't "gain" any real HP from upsizing the pipe because there is hardly anything lost in the pipe. Your HP "gains" come from recovering what's lost in the stock intake. You can't create more HP out of nothing with an intake.
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10-08-06, 03:00 PM
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...and increasing the cross section decreases velocity. I'm not sure how turbos would respond, but in N/As, many shorten the intake length to increase throttle response - there's less air mass to speed up and slow down.
I took a fluid dynamics course way back when, but I dropped it after the first midterm - that was my first and last ME course! In my defense it was upper division.
I took a fluid dynamics course way back when, but I dropped it after the first midterm - that was my first and last ME course! In my defense it was upper division.
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Well, I can't argue with experience - I was just going off a datasheet for ABS bending and melting points. Here's a more detailed one that lists the temps recommended for the injection molding machine (400 - 500F) and maximum service temp in air (140 - 223F). I would still be inclined to use it for mockup only, but if it works, it works!
10-12-06, 03:24 PM
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Should be worth it. - cheap and significant gains. Though in theory a ginormous intercooler could replace a cai, since temps after the intercooler are all that matter.
Universal gas law:
PV = nRT: Pressure * Volume = (amount of air) * (constant) * Temperature
More air = more power. So there are two ways to increase air:
1. Increase pressure.
2. Decrease temperature.
It gives about 5-6HP on on N/A. You'd have to ask around to see what people get with a cai in a turbo, since I don't feel like doing the math and it depends on your intercooler. If it weren't for the intercooler, it would be a flat ~4% increase to your existing horsepower.
Universal gas law:
PV = nRT: Pressure * Volume = (amount of air) * (constant) * Temperature
More air = more power. So there are two ways to increase air:
1. Increase pressure.
2. Decrease temperature.
It gives about 5-6HP on on N/A. You'd have to ask around to see what people get with a cai in a turbo, since I don't feel like doing the math and it depends on your intercooler. If it weren't for the intercooler, it would be a flat ~4% increase to your existing horsepower.
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10-14-06, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ericgrau
Though in theory a ginormous intercooler could replace a cai, since temps after the intercooler are all that matter.
As for the TID, it's absolutely worth upgrading. Again, experience has provided overwhelming proof of that. The stock TID is very restrictive because of it's two very tight bends, and the bottom bend causes poor turbo entry conditions that reduce compressor efficiency.
Here's mine. https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...27#post4702327
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