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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 02:05 PM
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Idea's on Simple HP gain

Ok, heres whats goig on in my head

More electricity your car is using, the more it needs to make? right?

so if i used less electricity i would have more power to rear wheels?

i drive at night/evening alot because of school/work during day, so i got to run headlights brake lights, dash lights and the console lights

i was reading, how some HID lights run at 35 watts as apposed to the 85 watts filiment's im running now

would there be an woth while increase in power here? (rember, im also in this brighter headlights)

also, i have seen thoes LED brake lights, anyone know if we can get theos for the 87rex's


what else uses electricy that doesnt need to?

this even worth ranting about?
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 02:09 PM
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Wow. That is a pretty weird idea. I guess you might pick up like 1-2 hp at most. Get a new exhaust and a new intake, and loose some weight from that car, and it will be much more beneficial. If you want to remove stuff, pull the air conditioning, air pump, and power steering.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 02:17 PM
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Ac doesnt work,its on the Time to go list, powersterring isnve very powerfull, so its gone, andi keep reading removing air pump = lots of backfireing

and about the intake and egsaust i plan on it, im just looking at other directictions
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 02:22 PM
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Do not even bother to waste brain power thinking about this. There is more than enough juice coming out of your alternator to supply your ignition. If not then add an aftermarket ignition. Is your car any faster in the daytime? I didn't think so. The only real dissadvantage to running at night; is that the flip-ups kill the aerodynamics.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 02:22 PM
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A/C sucks power whether it's on or not...plus it's added weight. If it doesn't work or you never use it, get rid of it.

As far as that electricity idea goes...I'm not sure. I'd think if nothing else your battery would probably last longer by cutting down on stereo/light use...

Hopefully someone else will be able to better expand on this. I'm curious now.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 02:46 PM
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A/C usses power even when its off?


I was replacing my alt on yeasterday and noticed that the acc compressor looked odd, (i use to work on a friends SAAB, something always broke on it) almost as if it dint have one of thoes clutch things on it, and so when i tured it on, and the engien dint change rpm's or anything i just assumed it was broken

so, just to clarify, the AC is eccentaly "always on" ecept that it doesnt blow the cold air in my face?


ac looks pretty easy to remove.. whats it weigh?
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 02:51 PM
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that sounds like it would give like little to no gains in hp, and it sounds like a lot of work to do, but if you do it let me know what you think, but i don't think my car is anyfaster during the day than at night. Best way to make you car faster is to take the spare tire out, doesn't cost anything and takes about a minute to do.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 02:54 PM
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just for the record i think the ac is the biggest **** to take off, especially if you have power steering...but once you take it off it is so much easier to replace the spark plugs. You could also just take the belt off, it is a quick way to free up some power too.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 02:56 PM
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Don't tell us any more of what's going on in your head!!

Jus kidden, anyways, no point in doing.
The usage of electricity by things like lights are almost uncomparably more effecient than gasoline power by the engine- and hence more than peripherals being driven by the engine.

You will get MORE power by running more things with the alternator/electricaly, like electric water pump, electric air pump, etc.
(That's why the sell electric water pumps!)

You will not gain any more than a fraction of a HP by running with all electrics off, compared to haveing ALL lights on, fan, etc.

There was a letter in Road and track a while ago about this.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 03:03 PM
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MY AC isnt a ****

ok, ignore that

How is the AC a ****, the compressor is right out in the open, i wouldnt bother taking off the alt belt to take off the ac belt, i would just cut it, without ac there isnt need for it

all the piping seems to be above all other hoses

whats hard about it, the only thign i cant think of off hand is where the condenser is


Oh, about electric water pumps

anyone have one? hard to install? are you happy with it?
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 03:08 PM
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by CrackHeadMel
Oh, about electric water pumps

anyone have one? hard to install? are you happy with it?
Good God, do not ask about electric water pumps. I did a while ago, and got flamed almighty.
PM me for info on them, I am happy with mine.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 03:48 PM
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Re: Idea's on Simple HP gain

Originally posted by CrackHeadMel
More electricity your car is using, the more it needs to make? right?
so if i used less electricity i would have more power to rear wheels?
Yes, you got it right.&nbsp As more current demand is needed, there is more resistance in turning the alternator.

i was reading, how some HID lights run at 35 watts as apposed to the 85 watts filiment's im running now

would there be an woth while increase in power here? (rember, im also in this brighter headlights)
That's is correct - most HID'd run about 30-40watts of equivalent power consumption.&nbsp The hard part is that H4 retrofit kits (for both high and low beams) cost around $1,000!!!




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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 05:01 PM
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Re: Re: Idea's on Simple HP gain

LOL. looks like, once again, people fear an electric water pump. I run one and it is fine!
Sean
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 06:51 PM
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I fear nothing electric, it it adds Hp but doesnt remove reliablity ill do it
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by stickgoat
A/C sucks power whether it's on or not...
Yeah, about 5/8 of **** all! It's only minor bearing and belt losses, it'd be well under 1hp.

As for the electrical questions, it's easy to work out what power your electrical systems are using, and figure if it's worth making changes.
For example two 55W headlights (assuming a typical 85% efficient alternator) would draw (2x55)/0.85 = 129W = 0.17hp. So HID headlights at say 40W would draw 0.06hp. So you've gained about 0.1hp and it only cost a grand!
Seriously, there are much better places to look for power gains than your electrical system.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 09:52 PM
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I did the electric water pump to see if it would make a difference.
Not really.
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Old Apr 6, 2002 | 11:19 AM
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Dont get me wrong, im not only looking here, i just didnt see any other threads pertaingin to this, so i thought i would ask
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Old Apr 6, 2002 | 11:48 AM
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the ac is a **** because the bolts mounting the compressor to the engine a pain to take off
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