kim307

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I'm planning to run some guy who claims to have a low 14s N/A rx-7 FC. Now...I've had 89 T2 and a 89 GTUs before both on stock ports, but with plenty of other go-fast goods. On the T2, I was guessing low 14s on a 1/4 with HKS downpipe, HKS F-CON, HKS intake, HKS coilovers(stiff setting), with Apex'i AVC-R dialed in at 12psi, oh yeah...HKS hyper exhaust. On my 89 GTU"s"(GTU with GTUs diff) K&N filter w/ custom cold air box, RB street header, RB silencer, 2.5" custom exhaust with straight thru Thermal muffler.

With that said, I'm estimating my 1/4 mile time by comparing to my friend's 98 Prelude w I/H/E, I whopped on him with my T2...but 89 N/A...was a totally different story. Even on launch, he pulled away slowly in 1st and 2nd, then in 3rd gear, he pulled some major distance on me. Now, my 7 had small issues here and there, but nothing that would hinder its performance(both engines rebuilt with less than 15k on them at the time.)

Now I met this guy w/ a s4 n/a, who's awesome in mt drivng(drifter...crazy!), but doesn't really drag. I asked him wht he thought he could run with his set up and he said a low 14s pass on stock ports. I don't think he can, but few of his followers seem to think he could. What do you guys think? Here's his setup:

I think 88 GTU w/ stock ports
weber carbs
RB header, straight thru exhaust system
stripped


I'm asking him to race me and my 91 integra that did15.9s pass at Palmdale and 99% sure that I could beat him. BTW my set up is as follows:

91 Integra GS
JDM b20b w/ usdm b17 head
I/H/E
b&m fpr
semi-stripped
made 151whp w/ 125ft-lb on dyno
it should weigh about 2700 with my in it.

Jay Kim

Ryde _Or_Die

You should be able to do better than low 14s in your TII I think. More like mid 13s or so.

For the most part its hard to get NAs any faster than high 15s, but its definitely possible for him to beat a 15.9. You did an engine swap and full bolt-ons and barely broke into the 15s? What engine is the b20 from?

dre_2ooo

OMG if your 'teg only does a 15.9 this guy will slaughter you.

If he says he's runnning low 14's in his S4 N/A StockPort, he's probably running mid 15's....

If you raced him in your 89 Gtu, now THAT would be a match of SKILL

Hell my S5 N/A has all the "go-fast" mods short of ECU and Engine porting and high 14's are all I can do on a GOOD day.

marcus219

the b20 is from a crv...the b17 head he metioned is a type r head. I believe the b20 is a 2.0 liter...he has a the non vtec crv block mated to the b17 vtec head...hes getting torque and hp..the best of both worlds...frankenstein motor....i always wanted to do one on my integra...

your running stock internals?

bl|nk

actually. nooo

b17 head is from a Gen 2 Integra GSR.
yes the b20 is from a CRV and is 2.0l.

And a Frankenstein swap is a LS (b18b block) / VTEC (any VTEC head)

Mongrul swap is a CRV/VTEC (b20/vtec)

you ran a 15.9!?!?!?!? you can't drive.. if an si ('99)with a intake an exhaust can run a 14.9 (seen a time slip and know the driver yes it can) with a b16.. you have way more motor than he does.. I have a friend (and video footage to back it up) running a 13.0 with a high compression B20/VTEC in his EG.

Bridgeported

With the modifications listed, your TII should be running low 13's with a good driver.

Your integra should be running a hell of a lot faster than 15.9!! I don't know LOTS about hondas, but I know it should be at LEAST low-14's... at LEAST!

His car is possible to run low 14's. It's not very comman, but I've seen guys with webers on rotaries making big power (say hello to the Peurto Ricans) and with his car being stripped you never know. So, I don't doubt it one bit that he's running low 14's (depending on his porting).

If you run him in your integra and drive it well, it should be a pretty close race. If you run him in your TII you'll smoke him like the ham I had the other day.

kim307

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Ok guys....once again. My motor is completely stock. It only make 151whp on 9.3:1 compression. Notice how I said 15.9 at PALMDALE. Here's the sea level corrected time: 15.38S. It makes about same hp figure as a stock obd1 gsr, but what I do have is more torque than b18c1. Here's my dyno:



Make no mistake. I have yet to lose to a Si. Palmdale is an amazing track. I saw a slightly modified T2 doing 15.8 there.....he said he did 14.3 at Pomona. And yes, he swore to never come to Palmdale again. Well, we'll see. I know only one person, on this board, that achieved the seemingly impossible 200whp mark with a non-turbo. His setup was like street port, open header, 3.5# clutch and 5# flywheel! And he barely made 200whp and ran 13.7 according to my memory.

I dun like how some people like to just seem to think drag is so easy. ESPECIALLY THIS BOARD!!!!! Ya ya ya, I know 7s handle...I had the widebody 7 before, which I sold to Rishie at a real bargain price(which he so passionately disagrees until this day....) I know as a fact that thing would outhandle most of 2nd gens out there. So don't get me wrong I know. BUT drag is not as easy as you think, nor is your N/A gonna be making 200whp running low 14s on stock port any time soon! I'll let you guys no the results when and if we have raced. Thanks guys.

Jay Kim

Bridgeported

Well chances are that if his NA FC is running webber carbs in a stripped car, then it sure as hell isn't a stock ported motor (i'd say 98% chance it's ported). Expect a large streetport at the least, possibly even a bridgeport (if he's cool like me )

Didnt' say anything about 200rwhp, but I don't think it's that unlikely. I know it's hard to get on an NA streetport, and it's rare, but from what you have said about his car, I would expect him at least 180 rwhp.

Like you said, drag racing is not easy, but when you're running 15's, it's not that hard to be consistant.

kim307

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180whp? I doubt it. People say this and that. But I have yet to see a dyno of a N/A rx-7 making over 170-180whp mark. If you got one let me see it. Watch...no one has one unless they have bridge or peripheral port motors. ***-dyno doesn't count! Just because you feel and think that it's faster, doesn't mean squat!

Jay Kim

kim307

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Looks like there ain't gonna be a race. The guys says he "retired" from racing. What can I say? But I'll be more than willing to race any N/A 7s in the Bay Area with stock or street ports that's supposed to be making 180+ whp or at least thinks that they are. I just want to see. I want to see if it's possible.

Jay Kim

gsracer

palmdale = super slow times.

Eh even though b20 swaps look fun I personally would stick to the b18c1. I guess it depends on how far you're going to take the car. When you start adding on those wild *** cams your going to wish you had vtec so your car will actually idle Anyway have fun with the car and good luck on finding a n/a rx7 to run with.

kim307

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read my first post more carefully

stock b17 head....vtec head. 92-93 GSR

jay Kim

gsracer

sneaky but then you have the whole r/s ratio thing that starts getting throw out of wack when go to the b20vtec. I would run Type R cams, but spec a's and above, crower anything, and even the new skunks I'd be wary to run simply because I wouldn't trust the engine at rpms > 8500. Heh oh well it should be a really fun car, as the name implies I used to be a honda nut and still am.

Kai

Hmm... so you just made a basic CRVTEC using all stock B20 and B17 parts? You really should observe the stock redline with stock B20 rods, no need to blow such a beautiful hybrid engine! BTW, how much did you pay for your B17 head? I see prices for those things so hyperinflated over B16 heads, even though they are identical PR3 heads (except the cams of course!) I miss my 92 GS...

Funklord

its not just about hp... you said the car was stripped... just how stripped? 1/4 mile is about power:weight if he's got it stripped hardcorily, 14's are definately possible.