That's not what you said, you said you can't run 12psi on the stock block for under $500 (for long)

 

That's not what I said, either. I said it won't be reliable...hence the "for long" statement. You can run 20psi or more on a stock block for $3.50.

 

Reread it. I ran it, for long.

 

I've read it. I don't have a problem reading.

 

This whole argument about the 500 dollars is moot when it comes to the 12psi comment. You did not read what was said earlier carefully enough, and assumed Iceblue was asking about 12psi for 500 dollars, which he wasn't. Therefore you were the beginning of this issue...

This thread is getting off topic, though, you/me/sonicrat can argue over PM if you have anything more to say.

 

Save $5000 (double that if you're not doing all the work yourself) and then come back and ask us the same question again...

You're not going to come close to a JZA80.
Full exhaust, FMIC, boost controller to 15psi, intake, ported motor will not touch a JZA80 with BPU mods.
You need at least a bigger turbo...

Stop smoking the crack.
You need to come down to reality on your project.


-Ted

 

Actually it's quite relevent to the topic at hand because it covers the limitations of budget turbo'ing the N/A block. It doesn' matter who asks the questions.

What's a waste of time is people having to ask the same question 5 times to get an answer...

exactly.

 

Actually... it seems to me he was only saying $500 for a USED turbo. Never said anything else about the rest of the budget

 

True...got caught up in the posts following I suppose. $500 for a good T04 or similar doesn't seem too bad, but I'm curious as to the extent of the rest of his budget...as well as running 12lbs reliably for less that $500 in support.

 

Yah I think that's how most of this thread ended up.

Anyways... 500 on a used turbo doesn't seem bad, it can be doable with a BNR hybrid for example. The rest of the setup, though, would be better to have more money spent on it. It CAN be done for cheap, but personally I wouldn't want to. I suppose if you can weld up your own downpipe, make your own intercooler piping, use a starion or similar intercooler, bigger injectors/pump, and an s-afc with the hybrid turbo it can be done for relatively cheap. Is this the best setup, though? Probably not.

 

I was getting so pissed reading the responses till I saw ddub was the ONLY person to realize this. I am planning on spending approx $2000 in total.

so far these are my plans:

TII manifolds ported to fit 6pi slots

used fmic of good size

megasquirt and spark (will be looking for an experienced builder soon)

wideband O2 kit for tuning

Ill work out the injector sizes after I know what turbo/boost ill be running

Its not really about beating slightly modded m3's or supras or any other car really, its just that riding in/ driving those cars made me crave similar power. But I dont have a similar budget.

 

Out of curiosity, why do this? The exhaust manifold is the same. Use your stock intake manifold assembly...just have a 2" spacer built to bring the turbo out to clear the 6-port actuators.

 

Because the spacers suck, and it whacks the inner frame rail, not to mention the intake design sucks.

 

Why do the spacers suck? Lots of people here, including myself, have built and used them without any problems. I've never seen any kind of clearance issues with propperly built ones, either.

The TII intake isn't exactly a work of art, either. Neither is superior considering your application, and the stock one will be cheaper and just as effective.

 

b/c runing a 2in spacer on a stock mani will make the turbo hit the frame. If you spend the money and have a SS mani built then that solves the issue. Then your back to the even worse 4 90DEG bends in the intake manifold :-/

 

From what i have read, been told and can imagine there is less fabrication involved. You dont have to worry about denting the wheel well to get the turbo to fit, im not positive but ive been told the DP will line up with the n/a exhaust system, so the only real custom work ill be doing is the oil, coolant and intercooler lines. I no longer have to worry about electronically controlling my 5/6 ports or VDI. PLus The TII manifolds were made for boosting so it seems more logical in my mind(not a fact) that they would be more suited for a boosted application.

 

Wll I can tell you that the NA and turbo exhausts line up with the propper cat combination, but everyone is going to have a different opinion or experience with the rest.

I do know that rabid chimp sells a nifty oil return for custom turbo applications...might hit them up. They hand;e mostly MKII supra stuff, but the oil setup they sell should pretty well be iniversal.

 

BklynRX7 - well no denting of the wheel well is right but you have to notch out the frame or the compressor will hit the frame and not fit and even then the compressor is insanly close to the UIM. With no spacer the turbo will never fit. If you use a TII mani as you said and have it port matched no wories just bolt up the mani and turbo and fab your lines.

 

talk to sonikrat about his turbo kit, its pricey but you'll be well off with it.

 

The S5 hotside is too wide, and *WILL* hit the frame and won't even bolt up with a spacer, and you'll STILL barely clear the ACV. The s4 will fit in there with mimal clearance and will smack the frame rail on sharp changes/vibrations (and the wastegate doesn't fit properly and has to be modified), not to mention that stock downpipes don't work and so forth. Considering the alternatives (new manifolds, hacking tII manifolds, etc), the stock intakes is the worse of them all.

 

I just find it odd that people have had clearance issues with the spacer unless it's built straight out from the block...which if you think that's wise you probably shouldn't be considering the idea. I had LOTS of room on everyone I've built.

 

If you feel like moving it out and forward and cut a whole bunch of mandrel piping to get it equal, and then reinforce the entire thing or run a rod down to the engine mount bolt to keep it from sagging, indeed, but there are easier and better ways. I told everyone turbo n/a's would become the new trend!

 

I only moved out 1.5" and down .75" and got good results.

NA-T's are great, when done propperly.

 

That they are, I haven't found anybody else going quite as crazy as me yet though, I know Aaron's going GT35R, which is what I used to have, can't wait to complete this 42R setup!

 

The new trend? They've been done since FBs