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having more and more trouble starting when cold

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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 09:30 PM
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having more and more trouble starting when cold

my na 88 runs great when it's started up but latly as it's gets colder it's harder to start and i had it die on me once a while back and again yesterday and now i can't get it started...i cleaned the sparkpugs both times it seemed to help last time but i can't get it to start this time any ideas?
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 10:10 PM
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doesn't anyone have an idea i really need help.....
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 10:23 PM
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How's your compression?
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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haven't checked it no compression tester but i don't think it's the compression it's a newish engine
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 10:38 PM
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Smile Sniff your dipstick for gas

1st. check your oil, if you got enough gas in it, low compression=no start.
If you do, change your oil.
2nd.Fill up your cold start bottle with appropriate antifreeze-water mix,90%AF rest water, as long as that system is opperative. All it does when starting is improve sealing for better compression. You'll get some white smoke when it is used.
Good luck
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 11:24 PM
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umm no cold start bottle
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 03:19 AM
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Talking

Tow start it and give it a good hot run, throw at least 12oz of TCW3 premix or preferably MMO into the gas tank while doing such.
Have fun
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 09:31 AM
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and that should work?
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 10:22 AM
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got it started needed a pull start starter may be shot and also going to buy some premix today
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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If the car hot starts with no problem but has trouble cold starting, it's likely a battery/charging system issue. Compression should be higher when cold and lower when hot.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 11:17 AM
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You know, I have often heard & read that, but have yet to see it in the "real world" on my rotary. Care to convincingly explain why cold compression should be more than hot, considering all of our seals' main sealing forces happen to be springs?
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:12 PM
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Because when things are cold, they are compressed and when things are hot they are expanded When a brand new engine has hot starting problems that is the issue right there...it has enough compression to start cold, but a bit less when warm and not enough to kick over.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:28 PM
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Lol, that's not convincing enough...Yes, heat expands the housings- but it also expands the rotors...This ain't a piston popper were talking about here, our seals are spring loaded against all of the contact surfaces, which will compensate for any abnormal thermal expansion.

I just don't see this variation in numbers when doing compression tests on mine (rebuilt 7,000 miles ago, running exclusive premix)...Maybe with the OMP on her, I don't know...
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 09:59 PM
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thx for all the info guys
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