has anyone heard from rotary evolution ?
05-04-15, 01:51 PM
#77
He will pop back with a tale of woe, his allies will take his side and it will be forgotten.
I put the odds of this engine being returned less than the odds of him getting his money back
and if he is reading this give the guy back his ******* engine or start paying him back
05-04-15, 01:52 PM
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police wont look for anyone, you know how many of these calls they get a day?
Even if he was sick it still takes a few seconds to convey a message to someone.
if he was locked up he can tell a relative - hey go on RX7 club, facebook, text this guy and tell him where the engine is or tell him I had to sell it for an attorney and Ill make good on it one day
or he is dead- which would be the only "excuse"
last time he played the "oh poor me" line when a deal had not gone well- after that he changed his screename
Even if he was sick it still takes a few seconds to convey a message to someone.
if he was locked up he can tell a relative - hey go on RX7 club, facebook, text this guy and tell him where the engine is or tell him I had to sell it for an attorney and Ill make good on it one day
or he is dead- which would be the only "excuse"
last time he played the "oh poor me" line when a deal had not gone well- after that he changed his screename
I think the OP is FUBAR in this situation, sad to see happen
, he is likely out a deposit and a motor.Ben may of been a good guy, but sticking up for him now doesn't make him a good person. I suppose you'd all give the OP a donation for what he lost?
05-04-15, 01:53 PM
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wait for him to surface, he wont stay off the grid too long.
He will pop back with a tale of woe, his allies will take his side and it will be forgotten.
I put the odds of this engine being returned less than the odds of him getting his money back
and if he is reading this give the guy back his ******* engine or start paying him back
He will pop back with a tale of woe, his allies will take his side and it will be forgotten.
I put the odds of this engine being returned less than the odds of him getting his money back
and if he is reading this give the guy back his ******* engine or start paying him back
You must own a business Rob? You already have shown you care more then Ben has by replying to this.
05-04-15, 01:58 PM
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I found out a long time ago its very easy to get ripped off on the internet by bad sales.
Its just as easy to try to chase down a shop for parts.
If they had the car it would be one thing, but parts and handshake deals suck
Take the guy to small claims court? Good luck actually getting paid
Everyone says how great Ben was, it sounds really shitty but his own death is the only excuse at this point
05-04-15, 03:48 PM
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05-05-15, 09:50 PM
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wait for him to surface, he wont stay off the grid too long.
He will pop back with a tale of woe, his allies will take his side and it will be forgotten.
I put the odds of this engine being returned less than the odds of him getting his money back
and if he is reading this give the guy back his ******* engine or start paying him back
He will pop back with a tale of woe, his allies will take his side and it will be forgotten.
I put the odds of this engine being returned less than the odds of him getting his money back
and if he is reading this give the guy back his ******* engine or start paying him back
05-06-15, 01:02 PM
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I actually tend to buy things from guys like Kevin Landers of Rotary Resurrection, Chris at,Banzai, Charlie at Mazcare, and Atkins because they are straight guys and have a 10 year long (or more) track record of being great. Plus, they produce or have a great deal invested in their reputation of the RX7 community. It isn't something that they just started up a few years ago, it is something that they are heavily vested in, and something that they need for their well-being. Look at Banzai's shop and tell me they aren't more long term then most?
Ben popped up, offered great knowledge and had a good price, but in the same breath, I remember that he was on the forum after me, and it surprised me to see how fast he came about.
I digress. I feel awful for the original poster.
05-08-15, 11:04 PM
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He left here about a month ago, he's gonna be setting up shop somewhere in Florida he said.last I heard, His lease on the shop was up on march 31st and he's been waiting for escrow to close on the sale of his house before he leaves.
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05-12-15, 09:07 PM
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i don't know if you've done this but....
I would of called PayPal and given them his email that receives the email alerts so they can track if he's using the bank account linked to his PayPal and see where was his last transaction(s), tell them its a legal matter, if needed file a police report and see if they can contact the PayPal reps for further access to records of his ware bouts through pay pal to bank ect...
I would of called PayPal and given them his email that receives the email alerts so they can track if he's using the bank account linked to his PayPal and see where was his last transaction(s), tell them its a legal matter, if needed file a police report and see if they can contact the PayPal reps for further access to records of his ware bouts through pay pal to bank ect...
05-13-15, 11:46 PM
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i don't know if you've done this but....
I would of called PayPal and given them his email that receives the email alerts so they can track if he's using the bank account linked to his PayPal and see where was his last transaction(s), tell them its a legal matter, if needed file a police report and see if they can contact the PayPal reps for further access to records of his ware bouts through pay pal to bank ect...
I would of called PayPal and given them his email that receives the email alerts so they can track if he's using the bank account linked to his PayPal and see where was his last transaction(s), tell them its a legal matter, if needed file a police report and see if they can contact the PayPal reps for further access to records of his ware bouts through pay pal to bank ect...
PayPal will tell you to go reproduce with yourself.
Face it, OP: you've been screwed and its over. You are not getting your money or your motor. The dude isn't ever going to respond. He has moved on, so should you.
And by the way, a lesson for us all: when you deal with a guy with no overhead, he can sell cheap. He also has little financial stake in his business, so when things get tough he can merely move on.
05-14-15, 03:46 PM
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Because financial institutions simply give out personal financial record of their clients because you say so?
PayPal will tell you to go reproduce with yourself.
Face it, OP: you've been screwed and its over. You are not getting your money or your motor. The dude isn't ever going to respond. He has moved on, so should you.
And by the way, a lesson for us all: when you deal with a guy with no overhead, he can sell cheap. He also has little financial stake in his business, so when things get tough he can merely move on.
PayPal will tell you to go reproduce with yourself.
Face it, OP: you've been screwed and its over. You are not getting your money or your motor. The dude isn't ever going to respond. He has moved on, so should you.
And by the way, a lesson for us all: when you deal with a guy with no overhead, he can sell cheap. He also has little financial stake in his business, so when things get tough he can merely move on.
People can be found in this country. People should be held accountable for their actions and it's merely going to take some legwork to bring the truth to light.
But really we should just give up because this guy says so.
05-14-15, 06:56 PM
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This post is ludicrous. So he should just give up because you say so?
People can be found in this country. People should be held accountable for their actions and it's merely going to take some legwork to bring the truth to light.
But really we should just give up because this guy says so.
People can be found in this country. People should be held accountable for their actions and it's merely going to take some legwork to bring the truth to light.
But really we should just give up because this guy says so.
Are you offering to foot the bill for the OP to find this guy, be a liaison between the detectives in the OP's home state, the state where the business was located and the state where the OP has apparently moved to. Are you willing to pay his legal fees involved with suing Rotary Evolution..and then also pay fees for a collection agency when the guy doesn't pay a lick because when/if the judge rules, the court has no power to force Rotary Evolution to pay. They can only say, "Yes this person owes that person x amount"
It's ugly and sad, but there is only so much the OP can do and is even worth paying to do.
05-14-15, 08:20 PM
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This post is ludicrous. So he should just give up because you say so?
People can be found in this country. People should be held accountable for their actions and it's merely going to take some legwork to bring the truth to light.
But really we should just give up because this guy says so.
People can be found in this country. People should be held accountable for their actions and it's merely going to take some legwork to bring the truth to light.
But really we should just give up because this guy says so.
This thread is 8 over months old.
My advice is far better than hoping to trick PayPal into helping him find the culprit.
Move on, earn some money to buy another engine. Buy it from someone who you can look in the eye. Learn from getting ripped off and don't allow yourself to be screwed. Ever.
Life isn't fair; hell, life isn't supposed to be fair.
Maybe so. But then what? Insult him over the internet? Take some Karate lessons so he can kick some ***? Fart in his general direction?
05-14-15, 08:41 PM
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I did some digging, and contacted a few relatives and possible where a bouts. Nothing but voice mail boxes. but I left a message on all of them reaching out for any info.
And Jack, Clearly you have never owned a business. EVERYTHING has overhead. every single thing has a cost at the end of the day, and until you actually do the books and find your net net, its all overhead. Let us not be a late comer to the party and come in like a **** ***, eh?
Edit: Just saw your latest response, and you are clearly an *******.
And Jack, Clearly you have never owned a business. EVERYTHING has overhead. every single thing has a cost at the end of the day, and until you actually do the books and find your net net, its all overhead. Let us not be a late comer to the party and come in like a **** ***, eh?
Edit: Just saw your latest response, and you are clearly an *******.
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05-14-15, 09:29 PM
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I did some digging, and contacted a few relatives and possible where a bouts. Nothing but voice mail boxes. but I left a message on all of them reaching out for any info.
And Jack, Clearly you have never owned a business. EVERYTHING has overhead. every single thing has a cost at the end of the day, and until you actually do the books and find your net net, its all overhead. Let us not be a late comer to the party and come in like a **** ***, eh?
Edit: Just saw your latest response, and you are clearly an *******.
And Jack, Clearly you have never owned a business. EVERYTHING has overhead. every single thing has a cost at the end of the day, and until you actually do the books and find your net net, its all overhead. Let us not be a late comer to the party and come in like a **** ***, eh?
Edit: Just saw your latest response, and you are clearly an *******.
I feel bad for the OP, he got phucked hard by someone he (and many of us) thought he could trust, but you can never FULLY know somebody, but theres a good chance his engine is in another engine bay, possibly even someone on here, and neither of them would ever know it, and theres no way of proving it
About the only thing I could suggest to the OP would be to call and talk to an attorney and see what your options are, there're probably minimal options, but there might be something he can do other than wiggle his thumb up his *** for good luck
05-14-15, 10:57 PM
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I did some digging, and contacted a few relatives and possible where a bouts. Nothing but voice mail boxes. but I left a message on all of them reaching out for any info.
And Jack, Clearly you have never owned a business. EVERYTHING has overhead. every single thing has a cost at the end of the day, and until you actually do the books and find your net net, its all overhead. Let us not be a late comer to the party and come in like a **** ***, eh?
Edit: Just saw your latest response, and you are clearly an *******.
And Jack, Clearly you have never owned a business. EVERYTHING has overhead. every single thing has a cost at the end of the day, and until you actually do the books and find your net net, its all overhead. Let us not be a late comer to the party and come in like a **** ***, eh?
Edit: Just saw your latest response, and you are clearly an *******.
I own three successful businesses.
Since you are a business *expert*, you will be at least vaguely aware of the concept of a write-down, and subsequently a write-off. The situation with the OP and his lost money/motor is a write-off.
I was previously unaware that you were the gatekeeper of this thread. Do you have like, a badge or something that you can show me so I know you are official?
05-14-15, 11:00 PM
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Jackhild is being blunt but honest - there is no way PayPal or any other financial institution will give out any info about a client over the phone - it would be illegal and unethical of them to do so. The police aren't going to get involved in a civil matter, so they aren't going to ask for (or get) info out of Paypal or anywhere else.
The OP's only recourse practically speaking would be small claims court, and that would still require him to either go to Nevada, file court papers, serve papers (or lie about doing so, which is common enough), and then, at a later date, go to court to get awarded a judgment that would just be a start on setting a collection agency on the trail to try and enforce it. Many collection agencies would, however, take on the job of going through the small claims court process, lying about serving the papers, and so on, for a bigger take of the cash, if and when any is shaken loose. So then the question becomes, is it worth it to get back maybe 2/3 (assuming the collection agency finds and gets money out of Rotary Evolution/Ben). Barring what would seem the now unlikely event of him making good on the engine and/or refunding the money voluntarily, the OP doesn't have a lot of options. Earlier posts seemed to indicate Rotary Evolution was still doing business in some form in Las Vegas up to at least January - long after the OP started trying to get in touch - and he never has responded. It looks pretty clear he has no intention of making good, or even offering a "sorry man, things went south, I lost everything" (if that's what happened). As has been said before, with all the attempts at contact that have been tried, and no response, the only excuse would be if he were dead, and dead people don't plan (apparently for months) to move to Florida.
The OP's only recourse practically speaking would be small claims court, and that would still require him to either go to Nevada, file court papers, serve papers (or lie about doing so, which is common enough), and then, at a later date, go to court to get awarded a judgment that would just be a start on setting a collection agency on the trail to try and enforce it. Many collection agencies would, however, take on the job of going through the small claims court process, lying about serving the papers, and so on, for a bigger take of the cash, if and when any is shaken loose. So then the question becomes, is it worth it to get back maybe 2/3 (assuming the collection agency finds and gets money out of Rotary Evolution/Ben). Barring what would seem the now unlikely event of him making good on the engine and/or refunding the money voluntarily, the OP doesn't have a lot of options. Earlier posts seemed to indicate Rotary Evolution was still doing business in some form in Las Vegas up to at least January - long after the OP started trying to get in touch - and he never has responded. It looks pretty clear he has no intention of making good, or even offering a "sorry man, things went south, I lost everything" (if that's what happened). As has been said before, with all the attempts at contact that have been tried, and no response, the only excuse would be if he were dead, and dead people don't plan (apparently for months) to move to Florida.
05-15-15, 09:38 PM
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OK easy all !
I choose Ben because he has sold me items !
I know I might not get it back or see the money !
This is a matter of principal he took something of mine and money yes I should be compensated and am doing my best !
I too own a small trucking company and eventually will have Mazda trix build me one to my specs ! But I will also pursue this and the 500 dollar reward still stands !
Jack child I get what you were saying but this was not a business piece of property it was my personal pleasure car not a asset therefor isn't something I could write off ! I get your point but am a old school American and we just don't let things go !
I choose Ben because he has sold me items !
I know I might not get it back or see the money !
This is a matter of principal he took something of mine and money yes I should be compensated and am doing my best !
I too own a small trucking company and eventually will have Mazda trix build me one to my specs ! But I will also pursue this and the 500 dollar reward still stands !
Jack child I get what you were saying but this was not a business piece of property it was my personal pleasure car not a asset therefor isn't something I could write off ! I get your point but am a old school American and we just don't let things go !
05-15-15, 11:09 PM
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OK easy all !
I choose Ben because he has sold me items !
I know I might not get it back or see the money !
This is a matter of principal he took something of mine and money yes I should be compensated and am doing my best !
I too own a small trucking company and eventually will have Mazda trix build me one to my specs ! But I will also pursue this and the 500 dollar reward still stands !
Jack child I get what you were saying but this was not a business piece of property it was my personal pleasure car not a asset therefor isn't something I could write off ! I get your point but am a old school American and we just don't let things go !
I choose Ben because he has sold me items !
I know I might not get it back or see the money !
This is a matter of principal he took something of mine and money yes I should be compensated and am doing my best !
I too own a small trucking company and eventually will have Mazda trix build me one to my specs ! But I will also pursue this and the 500 dollar reward still stands !
Jack child I get what you were saying but this was not a business piece of property it was my personal pleasure car not a asset therefor isn't something I could write off ! I get your point but am a old school American and we just don't let things go !
Of course it's personal. The write off statement was conceptual, a state of mind I would advise you to attain. We have choices everyday how to spend personal energy. You got ripped off, the engine is gone. This one has sucked enough out of your life.
Move on, make some money, buy another engine, drive your car for pleasure.
Good luck!