2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

HARD TO START, but runs great (yes I searched...)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:38 PM
  #1  
Drop Top 13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
From: Williamsburg, Va
HARD TO START, but runs great (yes I searched...)

My Vert is having some old car problems...

It just cranks and cranks for about 30-45 secs, then finally catches, sputters a couple of times then dies again. After going through this about 2-3 times, it will finally stay running, but only with my foot on the gas revved up to about 3,000 RPM. After I hold it at 3,000 RPMs for about 30-60 secs it settles down, runs and idles like the day it was born. It almost seems like it isn't getting any fuel. What would make it not want to start and run, but not effect its drivability once it is warm and running? I just replaced the O2 Sensor, Adjusted the idle etc.

The problem is worse the colder it is outside. If the temp is over 50 Degrees, then it starts much easier, but still not like it should. If the temp is below 30 Degrees(Like right now), it seems like it will never fire. Help, it's getting harder to start all the time and it's starting to **** me off. Like I said earlier, it runs perfectly once I finally getting running...

Suspected problem areas:
1. Fuel Pump
2. Oil Injection System
3. Leaky or fouled Injectors(I doubt this, just had them cleaned)
4. Fuel Pressure Regulator
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:43 PM
  #2  
So close to 12's!!!
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
From: Canada
do a compression test.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:45 PM
  #3  
Amur_'s Avatar
Refined Valley Dude
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 2,283
Likes: 2
From: Kitchener, Ontario (Hamilton's armpit)
Have you looked at your starter and its wiring connections? Are they clean? Have you tried replacing the starter for a newer one?
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:47 PM
  #4  
Drop Top 13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
From: Williamsburg, Va
Wouldn't poor compression cause other problems like excessive oil consumption, poor idle quality etc? I'm not experiencing any other problems like that and the car only has about 98,000 mile on with **** retentive maintenance records.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:50 PM
  #5  
Drop Top 13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
From: Williamsburg, Va
Originally Posted by Amur_
Have you looked at your starter and its wiring connections? Are they clean? Have you tried replacing the starter for a newer one?

The engine spins over fine, the starter isn't an issue I don't think. I also have a brand new Optima Gell Battery, so the starter is getting plenty of juice.

The car acts like it wants to start easily, as is spins over and cranks like it should, just seems to be getting no fuel or something.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:50 PM
  #6  
So close to 12's!!!
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
From: Canada
Couldn't hurt just to see. Low compression can be a cause of hard starting.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:52 PM
  #7  
Drop Top 13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
From: Williamsburg, Va
Originally Posted by TurboIIRyan
Couldn't hurt just to see. Low compression can be a cause of hard starting.
I guess it would'nt be a bad idea. I'll check it as soon as it gets above freezing outside.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:54 PM
  #8  
Amur_'s Avatar
Refined Valley Dude
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 2,283
Likes: 2
From: Kitchener, Ontario (Hamilton's armpit)
Originally Posted by Drop Top 13B
The engine spins over fine, the starter isn't an issue I don't think. I also have a brand new Optima Gell Battery, so the starter is getting plenty of juice.

The car acts like it wants to start easily, as is spins over and cranks like it should, just seems to be getting no fuel or something.

See what kind of shape the connections at the starter are in...
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 07:05 PM
  #9  
jreynish's Avatar
New Project on the Way...
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 3,764
Likes: 6
From: Yellowknife, NT
Check the condition of your spark plugs I had a similar problem and replaced the spark plugs and it totally cleared up the start, Engine didn't even go throuhg a complete revolution before it cought.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:14 PM
  #10  
felixwankel88's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,678
Likes: 5
From: LEE,MA
my engine im my fc now does the same thing and i have 95 psi compression, also mine has new plugs
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:38 PM
  #11  
DerangedHermit's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,040
Likes: 5
From: Knoxville, TN 37916
That's exactly what mine does.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:47 PM
  #12  
felixwankel88's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,678
Likes: 5
From: LEE,MA
hahah seems like a common prob lol
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 09:13 PM
  #13  
Madrx7racer's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 312
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
mine does the same......it's a TII....
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 09:40 PM
  #14  
So close to 12's!!!
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
From: Canada
hmmm mine is tested at 110psi plus, and it fires within 2 seconds cold, and 1-2 when hot.

edit: this is a reman with 5,000 miles.

Last edited by TurboIIRyan; Jan 24, 2005 at 09:47 PM.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 09:57 PM
  #15  
Madrx7racer's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 312
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
mine is a reman with 30K on it.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 10:15 PM
  #16  
KillaKitiie's Avatar
Bongolio
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,556
Likes: 1
From: visalia,california
could be flooding.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 10:30 PM
  #17  
Drop Top 13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
From: Williamsburg, Va
Don't laugh, but what could cause the flooding? Why more so when it's really cold outside?
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 10:45 PM
  #18  
Madrx7racer's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 312
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
bad injectors i think........blackplauge recommende me to get them cleaned......
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 10:51 PM
  #19  
Drop Top 13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
From: Williamsburg, Va
Hmmmm, I had mine Cleaned Last Summer while the car was having the Suspension and Transmission replaced. Maybe They didn't do a very great job on them.

What exactly is envolved with Cleaning Them? Is it something I can do myself? I assume it is more complicated than running a can of BG 44K through a 1/2 tank of gas...
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 10:59 PM
  #20  
jhammons01's Avatar
Carter 2.0
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,262
Likes: 7
From: Irvine Ca.
yea right!! The motor spins freely with the starter for 30 to 45 seconds before it try to catch. Then you have to go through this procedure two more times......must be the starter.

Sorry, I am just being a smart ***.
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 11:02 PM
  #21  
Drop Top 13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
From: Williamsburg, Va
I'm sure it isn't the starter. I checked it out tonight. The starter engages and spins the motor just fine. THe connections are tight and corrosion free, and it's reading 12.7 Volts just as it should. Even the Tach wiggles when I crank it. I know it isn't the starter. Although, with as much cranking as it takes to get it running, I'm well on my way to burning it up...
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 11:05 PM
  #22  
KillaKitiie's Avatar
Bongolio
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,556
Likes: 1
From: visalia,california
two days my car didnt start i had too take out my plugs and they were soaked i might have left the fuel pump switch on but i douht i did.check it out ..
Reply
Old Jan 24, 2005 | 11:29 PM
  #23  
mcnannay's Avatar
Lean Mean Speed Thingie
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,102
Likes: 0
From: Moscow, ID
i wouldn't be suprised if your injectors leak, you do realize that the fuel system on our cars never depressurizes. So the injectors have to hold up the 40psi or so of fuel pressure all night (can't exactly remember what psi its left at).

Ive researched this issue a lot on the forums, it bugs me that mazda didn't employ a system to depressurize the fuel rails once the car is shut off. Have you checked your spark, weak spark was the problem on my fb when i had trouble a couple of weeks ago. Timing could also be an issue
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
stickmantijuana
Engine Management Forum
11
Nov 9, 2015 01:15 PM
stickmantijuana
20B Forum
10
Aug 19, 2015 01:47 PM
rx7brandon
General Rotary Tech Support
3
Aug 16, 2015 10:55 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:29 PM.