Rex4Life

The cost of this unit with cable, software, and ignition harness is $400. If you buy the emanage, download the software for free, and build the cables this becomes $330 for a DIY budget.

I compare that to a HKS SAFR (the cheapest AFC) and Rtek7 1.5 chip at $315 for a baseline functionality.

Don't start the "go standalone crap". First I can't afford the $1000-$1500 + tuning cost. Second I need my car to be emissions legal. This emanage looks like it will work great (and yes I know it is technically a piggyback).

I want fuel/AFM adjustment for 720 cc secondaries and ignition correction for boost from 9-14 psi. Both of these setups meet those requirements but for $85 more the emanage gives so much more capability. As a bonus it has a built in FCD also.

Only drawback I see is you need to use a laptop to set it up.

So how many FC guys are running this unit. Let's hear the good and the bad.

How bout your setups. What didn't work--what does?

Now that the prices are down I think we will see more of this unit.

Scott

gsracer

I've had the e-manage on since summer. I think the fc is a great application for it, as well as for those who want a greater resolution over the afm voltage tuning, as well as offereing other great things (direct control over injectors, timing, 16 x 16 maps, additional injectors, pretty nice datalogging etc..)

You will need a fcd however, the e-manage does have a clamping ability; but our fuel cut is independent of our afm voltage reading. If the fuel cut was at a certain afm voltage, then we wouldn't need a fcd.

Like you've mentioned, it's relatively easy to get the emanage with all harnesses for rather cheap. The software itself is free, and there are clone cables (from your laptop to the e-manage) that are being sold for 50 dollars. There is no need to buy the additional injector harness, as you can use the left over wires from the ignition harness. There are also clone pressure sensor's coming out.

Just like the safc 'hack', I have the TPS on my emanage tied into the stock pressure sensor. So essentially I have an AFM correction map based on boost and rpms, as well as being able to manipulate the voltage correctoin on a 16 x 16 map.

I think the e-manage is great, it's a shame it hasn't picked up in the fc community. The prevailing sentiment around here is to either dink around with a safc or go stand alone. For the small cost increase over the safc, I think the e-manage is very powerful and does a multitude of things very well.

powrdby13B

whats wrong with a safc?

gsracer

absolutely nothing

Rex4Life

Yea I see what you mean--my bad.

So gsracer, were you able to read the boost sensor before the FCD and use it to control the ignition map also? That way you could retard timing from 9-14 psi.

I'm real close to buying one. Sure I'll have some more questions later.

TIA,

Scott

gsracer

I have the optional pressure sensor. Without the pressure sensor (clone, or otherwise) the timing will be based off of the afm voltage.

With the pressure sensor it's just a matter of typing in whatever pressure you want (it's a 3 bar pressure sensor) onto the timing matrix.

As far as the AFM correction map, it's exactly the same as the safc set up like I previously mentioned. For more information about tying the TPS signal into the pressure sensor look at one of the very first threads in the safc section.

Yes, you'll want to tie in the TPS signal before the FCD, so you'll have to route a line thorugh the firewall towards the pressure signal. From here you just have to setr up the TPS at 0 percent throttle and 100 percent throttle. To do this you'll just need a bike tire pump or something similar.

Rex4Life

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Z3r0

i'm running it on my turbo'd n/a with all the add-ons.
I dont know if you have this link already but thers the yahoo group for it:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/emanage/

Also on there it mentions that you might be able to use the stock stereo connectors for the ignition harness but I have not confirmed this. But as mentioned before if you get the ignition harness there will be enough wires to wire up the injector harness.

The automatic injector correction was easy to use and allowed me to run car like stock out of boost without any headache. However, if you need to subtract fuel it has to be done in the throttle vs rpm map (the map that is equilivant to the SAFC's function). If you need to add fuel then you can do it on either the throttle vs rpm map OR the boost/afm voltage vs injector duty cycle map. I havent had time to tune the car properly yet though, but played around with the data logging and it was pretty neat. Also there is a program which is specifically made for datalogging inputs and such on the emanage, but its not in english.

I like the unit alot but it is kind of a pain to have to adjust it with a laptop, I had a safc II previous to this and I liked the display and ease of it to change settings but decided to change because for my application it would be a much more appropriate piggy back ems. If you are interested this is my cardomain page:

http://www.cardomain.com/id/rotorite

Rex4Life

I decided not to go with the E-manage. Wasn't any of the capability of the unit, just a pure cost thing. For $150 I can do what I need with the Rtek 1.7 chip--compared to $400 for the E-manage. I still would like to have it but right now cost is an issue and the Rtek 1.7 will let me put in the 720s and adjust the timing for boost--along with a few other great features. It's a simpler, cheaper, more elegant solution for what I want to do.

I was also not looking forward to the install of the emanage, the Rtek is an easy ECU swap. Though I don't like having my car down for a week while I get it chipped.

Scott

gsracer

Do the safc hack, tie the TPS wire into the pressure sensor voltage. Now you have essentially changed the afm correction map from TPS vs RPM, to Boost pressure vs rpm. This is easily explained in old thread, and especially in the safc section. PM me if you have any questions.

- Matt