Elec. Fan retrofit- EXCELLENT REFERENCE!!
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Elec. Fan retrofit- EXCELLENT REFERENCE!!
For all those looking to replace your mechanical clutch radiator fan with a wrecking yard electrical fan, this is an excellent how-to so install is as factory like as can be.
http://www.s-seriesforum.com/section...ntpage&artid=1
http://www.s-seriesforum.com/section...ntpage&artid=1
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Why two relays
"The double relays are necessary unless you have a fan that uses less than 30 amps"
I believe the Taurus the fan came from calls for a dedicated 50 amp fuse. Thus, two 30 amp relays.
The thermo switch can only handle 16 amps by itself. So certainly a relay will be needed if you want an as needed fan.
I believe the Taurus the fan came from calls for a dedicated 50 amp fuse. Thus, two 30 amp relays.
The thermo switch can only handle 16 amps by itself. So certainly a relay will be needed if you want an as needed fan.
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09-12-03, 02:00 AM
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2 small relays do not equal one large one
That install sucks to be honest with you.
Especially the scotch lock, these should never be used on a vehicle as they are vibration prone, they are also refered to as "short locks" as to their problematic tendancy.
That install sucks to be honest with you.
Especially the scotch lock, these should never be used on a vehicle as they are vibration prone, they are also refered to as "short locks" as to their problematic tendancy.
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Originally posted by rotarygod
Scotchlocks, T-taps, whatever you call them, yes they definitely suck. Such little area for runnng current through. I'd be terrified to run anything that draws 30 amps through them. 2 small fuses equals 1 big one. Why not 2 relays?
Scotchlocks, T-taps, whatever you call them, yes they definitely suck. Such little area for runnng current through. I'd be terrified to run anything that draws 30 amps through them. 2 small fuses equals 1 big one. Why not 2 relays?
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The person who wrote that seems to be lacking some very basic electronics knowledge. Specifically. paralleling two relays. This does not double the current they can carry. Why? Well, because both relays don't turn on and off at the same time. This is when the wear occurs. An arc is created when a relay makes or breaks contact. Because you have to mechanical arms moving, there is some variation and one will almost always turn on/off before the other. This means that it bears the full load of the current draw, and thus draws a fairly decent sized arc. This pits contacts, causes carbon build up, etc. Using 1 relay that can handle the current would have been the proper thing to do.
FWIW, I have a writeup like this targeted toward the FC owner that will be posted when I update my website. It is fairly detailed, with proper schematics, etc. But it won't be up for months.
FWIW, I have a writeup like this targeted toward the FC owner that will be posted when I update my website. It is fairly detailed, with proper schematics, etc. But it won't be up for months.
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I use 2 relays, but one is to ground the AWS solenoid.
I put a plug in the AWS hose with a 1/16” hole, so that when the fan comes on, the alternator doesn't stall the engine.
I put a plug in the AWS hose with a 1/16” hole, so that when the fan comes on, the alternator doesn't stall the engine.
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Higher amperage relay
Typical Bosh type relays are designed for 30 amps. Where would one get a relay designed to handle 45-60 amps that is also designed to withstand the heat and stress's of being in an engine bay?
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Re: Higher amperage relay
Originally posted by HOZZMANRX7
Typical Bosh type relays are designed for 30 amps. Where would one get a relay designed to handle 45-60 amps that is also designed to withstand the heat and stress's of being in an engine bay?
Typical Bosh type relays are designed for 30 amps. Where would one get a relay designed to handle 45-60 amps that is also designed to withstand the heat and stress's of being in an engine bay?
http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDeta...pe=575&PTSet=A
or Bosch part#0 332 002 156
from here http://www.bpg-inc.com/bpghome.html
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Vouching
Originally posted by Aaron Cake
The person who wrote that seems to be lacking some very basic electronics knowledge. Specifically. paralleling two relays. This does not double the current they can carry. Why? Well, because both relays don't turn on and off at the same time. This is when the wear occurs. An arc is created when a relay makes or breaks contact. Because you have to mechanical arms moving, there is some variation and one will almost always turn on/off before the other. This means that it bears the full load of the current draw, and thus draws a fairly decent sized arc. This pits contacts, causes carbon build up, etc. Using 1 relay that can handle the current would have been the proper thing to do.
FWIW, I have a writeup like this targeted toward the FC owner that will be posted when I update my website. It is fairly detailed, with proper schematics, etc. But it won't be up for months.
The person who wrote that seems to be lacking some very basic electronics knowledge. Specifically. paralleling two relays. This does not double the current they can carry. Why? Well, because both relays don't turn on and off at the same time. This is when the wear occurs. An arc is created when a relay makes or breaks contact. Because you have to mechanical arms moving, there is some variation and one will almost always turn on/off before the other. This means that it bears the full load of the current draw, and thus draws a fairly decent sized arc. This pits contacts, causes carbon build up, etc. Using 1 relay that can handle the current would have been the proper thing to do.
FWIW, I have a writeup like this targeted toward the FC owner that will be posted when I update my website. It is fairly detailed, with proper schematics, etc. But it won't be up for months.
Anyone have data about how this electrical load affects ignition performance?
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Re: Vouching
Originally posted by jhillyer
[B]I agree that paralleling two contacts each at 50% of duty is inadequate. However, we can dampen the current transient with a choke and capacitor for reactance. Impeding the load spike inline with a coil, and shunting the spike to ground with a capacitor is good for increasing life of a switched system, but adding enough dampening to allow for for wide variations in relay switching times approaches the cost of a properly rated relay.
[B]I agree that paralleling two contacts each at 50% of duty is inadequate. However, we can dampen the current transient with a choke and capacitor for reactance. Impeding the load spike inline with a coil, and shunting the spike to ground with a capacitor is good for increasing life of a switched system, but adding enough dampening to allow for for wide variations in relay switching times approaches the cost of a properly rated relay.
BTW, my writeup, for anyone who cares, is now at http://www.aaroncake.net/rx-7/efaninstall.htm
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