RETed

Oh oh, converted Silva driver?

Glad to hear you were kicking ***!


-Ted

JagdStealth

Heck, I went from my FC and it's 12" wheel to my buddies S13 and it was a breeze...until the lack of power ground the car to a halt...he wouldn't let me clutch-kick it

kalieaire

damn, i can't believe this thread is still alive. i like both cars. they're both cool for different reasons and both can drift well dependent on how well driver knows how to drive.

if you guys were there at the rs*r drift event, you'd have seen those stunt mustang drivers. there were 3 mustangs, all with open diff, two with automatic transmissions and v6, on manual tranny. those guys were drifting really well. why? they're professional drivers, two used to compete in nascar.

whereas the s-chassis cars may be easier to begin, which one looks best to you is all in the eye of the beholder.

personally i like both, so i would like the opportunity to own both, and drift in both.

ForsakenRX7

I actually got a good full solid drift in my fc the other day. I dont have eliminator bushing or any suspension work so...it normally goes: Ebrake sideways then dump the clutch which doesnt get me through the full turn. So this time I went faster than I normally do (scared myself at first) Feint into the ebrake, countersteered with a clutch dump at high rpms to keep it slidin. IT WORKED! Now I just gotta reproduce that everytime.

slidingsky

most of you still arent catching my point. Its not that the FC will not drift. Its that it will not compete with a hachi or 240 in drift angle excpet with a lot of suspension work you wouldnt need with either other car. When you start getting decient you will eventually run into you steering lock.

mazdized

Absolutely agree. P.S. A SR20 S13 feels like it can spin the tires in the dry almost as much as a FC in the wet.

BlackR1

[bench drifting]
the S chassis cars are better for beginners to learn on, and it wont take much suspension modification to get a good initial drift angle.

FC and FD can hold their own, but require heavy feinting and a bit of suspension work and technique to get the tighter angles, and maintain higher speed slides.

In the end of course it comes down to driver-- the shorter wheel base fc requires a different technique, whereas the longer wheelbase s-cars seem to slide out more naturally and smoothly during throttle off/throttle on. This is on LSD equipped vehicles I might add. Stock FC LSDs simply dont cut it.
[/bench drifting]

RETed

Uh, ok.



-Ted

btsnook

you wanna know what really determines how easy it is to drift a car? torque. plain and simple. independent rear solid axle rear limited slip, open differential, toe eliminator bushings....nope. these only help marginally. the most important basic principal is that you have to have the force required to break the rear tires loose, and keep them loose while the front tires hold. in my 7 i use sticky tires in front and bullshit tires in the back, which helps certainly, but certainly not as much as my v8 did...

mazdized

Torque and power always helps for sure, however what about during the time I am sliding into a turn in a oppisite drift off throttle for about 3 sec. and need to snap back the other direction to drift into the double apex turn. Give the gas pedal a tap coming out the first apex and grap a quick e brake to clear the next apex while holding the clutch in with the motor on rev limiter and getting ready to drop the clutch pedal so may be I can drift out of the increasing radius turn with the whopping 120 Ib. of rear wheel torque I have.
Torque is the only determine factor in the situation I decribed above?? I do not agree. But if your definition of drifting is spinning donut in parking lot then I guess that is a true statement.

steviep_

my car does crazy donuts and all i have is an lsd
no engine mods at all

OptimusPrime

iTrader: (1)

Ok all i know is that Fc is a great Drift car If u know how to drift and have experience its not a good beginer car for most people. Many cay to start in an AE86 ( if u can find one) or a Nissan 240 ( s-13 or 180 whichever ur pref.) I drift un an FC and i know FD drifters SA and FB have been known not to make good Drift cars but if u put in the effeort and time to practice then u can drift anycar. Baisically its all about what u want to do and how far ur willing to take it

Just my .02cents

mazdized

Got back from a track event, tried to do some high speed drifts at 100mph+ but found myself not having enough guts. I will get kicked off the session or track if I kick a bunch of dirt on and if I spin off the payment there is a good chance I will flip. I was coming in at about 105mph but was still braking some and trying to throw the car, however there was not enough speed to carry me throgh the whole turn. Looked like I needed to just not brake and throw it at 110mph +. High speed stuff for me makes me feel like a drift virgin again which is a little disappointing but I like the challenge and to step up. The car was some what understeering but great I thought at high speed, really preditable. One thing I learned is that high speed drifting is much more intense than gripping and way less margin for error once you stop being a chicken **** like me.

Infini IV

Hehe, on Buttonwillow's back sweeper, I lifted about 1/4 throttle at top of 4th gear and OH ****!!! Scary stuff at first, but had to say it felt very stable.

mazdized

Yeah I think FCs are hard to stay loose but once it is loose it actually is stable especailly at higher speed. Keep in mind I have a 140 RWHP NA motor so I really have to go in fast in order to do anything. Back straight at Button Willow is good for high speed drift for sure but I am not sure if the whole turn can be done unless with a 400 hp plus car.

gbowers

Drifting is in same category as burning rubber and drag racing as only immature drivers engage in this juvenile behavior.

FC RX7 suspension with slight understeer is designed for road tracks with lots of turns. A sports car should stick to the road in turns and fly out of each turn ready for next one - FC and FD handle superbly in twistes as their skid path stats are high (86 and 96). In fact, skid path or road holding ability for 2004 Nissan 350Z and RX8 are less than FC.

dufourmike

iTrader: (1)

YOU MUST REALLY SUCK AT DRIFTING!!!!!!!!!!


i can hang my automatic better than any of the 240sx's in my club, and they are mildly modded cars with 1/2 decent drivers

mazdized

Try it once and you will know it ain't as easy you think. Geting into drifting has helped me a lot in car control for road racing. Well I guess you are the type of person would not see why any one would want to do a wheelie on a bike, do a flip on a skate board, oral sex or any thing that is point less but loads of fun. But I do agree drag racing is gay.

RETed

YOUR 240SX GUYS MUST SUCK AT DRIFTING MORE THAN YOU DO!!!!!

Hell, I think you suck also!

Back to our regularly scheduled programming...



-Ted

ditto

have both a 86 corolla Gts and T2. it's very very easy to swing out the gts....

eoph

i think the 7's slight understeer makes it better for highspeed drifts

mazdized

Got back from D- day 8. The car handled GREAT! after the camber plates and shimmed inner ball joint on the rack. 2.5- camber and 1.5- increase on caster, 1.5-rear camber, 0 toe, 350lb. and 275lb. springs, shortened rear camber link. The shimmed rack give 1/4 turn more on the wheel which is a lot. It is starting to feel like a S13. I can thow it much more aggressive with the add rack travel.

Center of The Universe

Uhh... well if it had an SE sticker on it, and it had the handleing pakage, that means it has a viscous LSD. They are a rare tho.

Center of The Universe

Nice moves!

theflatlander

iTrader: (3)

As soon as i get back from Cali ( i was in the D1 driver search ), i will be developing a steering rack that provides more angle. I have gone too far with this car to just give up and buy a 240.

Here is what i realized when comparing FC's to 240s for drift...

FC comes with 5 lug and 4 piston brakes, 240s need 300zx susp.
FC comes turbo and can make 250hp for under $1k, 240's need SR for that.
FC come with a LSD, and a clutch type in S4, 240s can only buy vlsd's for 300.
FC's come with better seats, 240s feel like your going to fly out.
FC's have a firmer stock susp.

I know a few of these mods are generally swapped out, but im talking from a get your *** drifting perspective. [/B][/QUOTE]

Are you adding spacers to the tie rod ends or modifying the steering knuckle, and how much more steering angle do you think it will give. 1/4 turn... ect