cold cranking amps and battery voltage question . hot start issues
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cold cranking amps and battery voltage question . hot start issues
past few days ive been messing with my fc . i got a apexi power fc for it running 1600s and 750 primarys . the motor has low compression due to me driivng it untuned for a long time . its a full s4 t2 rebuilt stock port ra super seals 2mm . car used to run and drive everyday on stock injecters and ecu . now with power fc and new injectors it starts up only when car is jumped . power fc reads battery voltage around13.6 when its on and running . but when its off reads around 12.3 crank crank crank no start down to 12v then lower and battery almost dies out completly . its about 10 degress outside too . like i said it starts up only when car is jumped around 13v . i have a honda half size batt cause my ic piping takes up too much space to fit a regular size batt . i tired everything on the power fc and it ONLY starts when its jumped . wont start with 12.3v . do i need a regular size batt now?
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past few days ive been messing with my fc . i got a apexi power fc for it running 1600s and 750 primarys . the motor has low compression due to me driivng it untuned for a long time . its a full s4 t2 rebuilt stock port ra super seals 2mm . car used to run and drive everyday on stock injecters and ecu . now with power fc and new injectors it starts up only when car is jumped . power fc reads battery voltage around13.6 when its on and running . but when its off reads around 12.3 crank crank crank no start down to 12v then lower and battery almost dies out completly . its about 10 degress outside too . like i said it starts up only when car is jumped around 13v . i have a honda half size batt cause my ic piping takes up too much space to fit a regular size batt . i tired everything on the power fc and it ONLY starts when its jumped . wont start with 12.3v . do i need a regular size batt now?
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It could be the starter as he stated but if not
You're using a small battery with low cold cranking amps that's your problem.
The engine needs to spin as fast as possible inorder to start and to do that you need a powerful battery, especially in the cold.
The extra power the jump start provides is spinning the engine that much faster make it start. I'd get a bigger battery and relocate it one of the rear storage bins or wherever you think is a good place.
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You're using a small battery with low cold cranking amps that's your problem.
The engine needs to spin as fast as possible inorder to start and to do that you need a powerful battery, especially in the cold.
The extra power the jump start provides is spinning the engine that much faster make it start. I'd get a bigger battery and relocate it one of the rear storage bins or wherever you think is a good place.
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Your engine has low compression because of RA seals, not because you ran it untuned for a while.
Try installing a motorcycle/trickle charger in your car, leave the plug hanging down an inch or so under the car tied in place, and plug in an extension cord overnight. The battery will be at full power the next day and it might start better. Your battery may just be getting weak, usually after about 3-4 years, or after any discharge event, a batter will begin to lose some cranking amps and performance especially in the cold.
You can also experiment with the cranking MS fuel settings in the PFC settings menu and that can change how the car starts up. Start by selecting the temperature range of the ambient air when you're having the starting issues. Alter the corresponding setting significantly in one direction and then see what the car does. IF it seems worse then go the other way with it and see what it does. Continue to experiment and fine tune it until you find where the car "likes" to be.
Try installing a motorcycle/trickle charger in your car, leave the plug hanging down an inch or so under the car tied in place, and plug in an extension cord overnight. The battery will be at full power the next day and it might start better. Your battery may just be getting weak, usually after about 3-4 years, or after any discharge event, a batter will begin to lose some cranking amps and performance especially in the cold.
You can also experiment with the cranking MS fuel settings in the PFC settings menu and that can change how the car starts up. Start by selecting the temperature range of the ambient air when you're having the starting issues. Alter the corresponding setting significantly in one direction and then see what the car does. IF it seems worse then go the other way with it and see what it does. Continue to experiment and fine tune it until you find where the car "likes" to be.
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Dino oil, 20w50, right?
Are you running a thicker oil than is called for in your winter temps? You are in Frickin' Rhode Island fer gosh sakes! It's 10 degrees! Are you running 20w50, most likely? Dino oil?
Of course it cranks slow. Throw in the small cranking capacity of the small battery and you are starting slow.
Try running a 10w30 Dino oil in winter. Your engine will crank faster .
Try a 5w20 oil in winter. Your engine will crank much faster.
You have little likelihood that you will ever get the oil warm enough in this weather to need the thicker viscosity of the 20w50.
Of course it cranks slow. Throw in the small cranking capacity of the small battery and you are starting slow.
Try running a 10w30 Dino oil in winter. Your engine will crank faster .
Try a 5w20 oil in winter. Your engine will crank much faster.
You have little likelihood that you will ever get the oil warm enough in this weather to need the thicker viscosity of the 20w50.
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yes i run 20-50 i just changed the oil before i got the pfc and my freind thats tunning it hes on here "smg44" has tried everything on the pfc lowing the fuel retarting the spark etc .today its about 20 degrees outside i changed my starter and im gonna try a bigg batt from a lexus and see if it does anything . but its weird how it started up everytime time with stock injecters and ecu with the batt i have now . and i know i have low compression cause i drove it untuned for soo long beating on it . sort of my fault .
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In my experience and that of some other builders who've torn down engines built with them, they are harder on the chrome surface and tend to cause accelerated and uneven wear, and of course wear and grooving on the chrome can reduce compression just like worn apex seals can....so although nothing is "broken" those engines do not make much compression.
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Are you running a thicker oil than is called for in your winter temps? You are in Frickin' Rhode Island fer gosh sakes! It's 10 degrees! Are you running 20w50, most likely? Dino oil?
Of course it cranks slow. Throw in the small cranking capacity of the small battery and you are starting slow.
Try running a 10w30 Dino oil in winter. Your engine will crank faster .
Try a 5w20 oil in winter. Your engine will crank much faster.
You have little likelihood that you will ever get the oil warm enough in this weather to need the thicker viscosity of the 20w50.
Of course it cranks slow. Throw in the small cranking capacity of the small battery and you are starting slow.
Try running a 10w30 Dino oil in winter. Your engine will crank faster .
Try a 5w20 oil in winter. Your engine will crank much faster.
You have little likelihood that you will ever get the oil warm enough in this weather to need the thicker viscosity of the 20w50.
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In my experience and that of some other builders who've torn down engines built with them, they are harder on the chrome surface and tend to cause accelerated and uneven wear, and of course wear and grooving on the chrome can reduce compression just like worn apex seals can....so although nothing is "broken" those engines do not make much compression.
There's no way to prevent this uneven wear? I read lots of stories about people running high boost on these seals with no problems.
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I worked part time at an auto parts store for about three years for a little extra money and ***** and giggles. It was ALWAYS the battery in a rough or no start scenario. Amazing how people expected their 9 year old AC Delco battery to last literally forever.
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LETS CLEAR SOMETHING UP.
The Ra SUPER SEALS can cause issues on certain applications. They are known for eating housings as they are not designed for a passenger car but for a airplane that is rebuilt every so many hours of operation and are designed not to break so no matter what your motor will not just die when in the air.
RA (rotary aviation also known as real world solutions ) make another set of seals called the classics that are more designed for a all purpose use and is very friendly to housings.
To simply state RA seals eat housings is a uneducated statement.
It would be like saying atkins seals are junk on a high hp motor. But they have a purpose for different rotary engine applications.
You might look into running Ngk egv plugs. If your still running stock plugs then put some ngk b7egv and b9egv plugs. You will see a difference.
The Ra SUPER SEALS can cause issues on certain applications. They are known for eating housings as they are not designed for a passenger car but for a airplane that is rebuilt every so many hours of operation and are designed not to break so no matter what your motor will not just die when in the air.
RA (rotary aviation also known as real world solutions ) make another set of seals called the classics that are more designed for a all purpose use and is very friendly to housings.
To simply state RA seals eat housings is a uneducated statement.
It would be like saying atkins seals are junk on a high hp motor. But they have a purpose for different rotary engine applications.
You might look into running Ngk egv plugs. If your still running stock plugs then put some ngk b7egv and b9egv plugs. You will see a difference.
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LETS CLEAR SOMETHING UP.
The Ra SUPER SEALS can cause issues on certain applications. They are known for eating housings as they are not designed for a passenger car but for a airplane that is rebuilt every so many hours of operation and are designed not to break so no matter what your motor will not just die when in the air.
RA (rotary aviation also known as real world solutions ) make another set of seals called the classics that are more designed for a all purpose use and is very friendly to housings.
To simply state RA seals eat housings is a uneducated statement.
It would be like saying atkins seals are junk on a high hp motor. But they have a purpose for different rotary engine applications.
You might look into running Ngk egv plugs. If your still running stock plugs then put some ngk b7egv and b9egv plugs. You will see a difference.
The Ra SUPER SEALS can cause issues on certain applications. They are known for eating housings as they are not designed for a passenger car but for a airplane that is rebuilt every so many hours of operation and are designed not to break so no matter what your motor will not just die when in the air.
RA (rotary aviation also known as real world solutions ) make another set of seals called the classics that are more designed for a all purpose use and is very friendly to housings.
To simply state RA seals eat housings is a uneducated statement.
It would be like saying atkins seals are junk on a high hp motor. But they have a purpose for different rotary engine applications.
You might look into running Ngk egv plugs. If your still running stock plugs then put some ngk b7egv and b9egv plugs. You will see a difference.
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i know my compression is low . beating it so bad with no fuel . ill admist tho these seals are the best hands down . take such a beating . there gasket set is pretty good also ive overheated my motor plenty of time and it still runs cool . i have almost 10k on this daily driven .. cant wait to see wat my housings look like lol
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