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08-17-01, 04:22 PM
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im just having fun.......nope im not very mature ....who is ?anyways .......just take the piston eng out and have it crushed !!!
next time will sit in the back of your pick up drink some pabst blue ribbon and shot at the stars
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I'd still like to see a 13b in a 1500lb '23 T-bucket:
I mean think about it, the '23 T is a Ford, Ford owns a major share in Mazda, so shouldn't this be a natural mating of motor and chassis?
I mean think about it, the '23 T is a Ford, Ford owns a major share in Mazda, so shouldn't this be a natural mating of motor and chassis?
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Originally posted by SuperchargedRex
I'd still like to see a 13b in a 1500lb '23 T-bucket:
I mean think about it, the '23 T is a Ford, Ford owns a major share in Mazda, so shouldn't this be a natural mating of motor and chassis?
I'd still like to see a 13b in a 1500lb '23 T-bucket:
I mean think about it, the '23 T is a Ford, Ford owns a major share in Mazda, so shouldn't this be a natural mating of motor and chassis?
How about a Jaguar XK120 or XK140 with a rotary? After all, Ford owns controlling interest of Mazda and Jaguar both...
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08-17-01, 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by rx7_ragtop
Not really- that chassis sucks!!!
How about a Jaguar XK120 or XK140 with a rotary? After all, Ford owns controlling interest of Mazda and Jaguar both...
Brad
Not really- that chassis sucks!!!
How about a Jaguar XK120 or XK140 with a rotary? After all, Ford owns controlling interest of Mazda and Jaguar both...
Brad
08-17-01, 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by SuperchargedRex
Admittedly, its got real old school suspension, but there are additional bolt ons to give it full independent suspension front and rear. And that would make it handle like a go-kart.
Admittedly, its got real old school suspension, but there are additional bolt ons to give it full independent suspension front and rear. And that would make it handle like a go-kart.
I thought about doing a rotary-powered Trike (like the Harley ones) with a FC rear. It would need lighter rear springs is about all. (My GF wants a motorcycle, but wants to be able to take her daughter with us too...)
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08-17-01, 10:35 PM
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I give you credit GNX7, you have definately built one of the most disgusting rx-7's I've seen. Sometimes speed isn't everything.
Also, you guys are dumb. If you put a 350 in an rx-7, you do NOT have a 2800 lb car with a 350.... you have a well over 3000 lb car with a 350 and poor handling. Same goes with the buick motor. Its lame, it defeats the purpose of the 7. No you don't have a 2800 lb car with excellent handling and buick turbo reliability, you have a straight line piece of garbage.
Sure, you can do what you want with your cars, but it doesn't make it right. You pulled out of the car what made it special, what made it different, then killed what it was built for (handling). Thats not cool at all. Thats just plain disgusting.
Also, you guys are dumb. If you put a 350 in an rx-7, you do NOT have a 2800 lb car with a 350.... you have a well over 3000 lb car with a 350 and poor handling. Same goes with the buick motor. Its lame, it defeats the purpose of the 7. No you don't have a 2800 lb car with excellent handling and buick turbo reliability, you have a straight line piece of garbage.
Sure, you can do what you want with your cars, but it doesn't make it right. You pulled out of the car what made it special, what made it different, then killed what it was built for (handling). Thats not cool at all. Thats just plain disgusting.
08-17-01, 11:38 PM
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RX7nCRX,
So tell me... What'd ya run at the last autocross you attended? What was your PAX place?
What about lap times at the race track? Sebring? Roebling Road? Road Atlanta?
Oh, you've got 1/4 mile times tho.. Interesting, there's not a hell of a lot of handling involved there, eh? So I guess you've got a straightline piece of garbage... Why else do you have a NOS kit, can't use it auto-x'ing or road racing..
So tell me, WTF do you know about handling? Tell me why negative camber is a good thing for a race car, and explain what effect toe out has to handling? What is an apex and tell me what the side effects of apexing too early?
Paul
So tell me... What'd ya run at the last autocross you attended? What was your PAX place?
What about lap times at the race track? Sebring? Roebling Road? Road Atlanta?
Oh, you've got 1/4 mile times tho.. Interesting, there's not a hell of a lot of handling involved there, eh? So I guess you've got a straightline piece of garbage... Why else do you have a NOS kit, can't use it auto-x'ing or road racing..
So tell me, WTF do you know about handling? Tell me why negative camber is a good thing for a race car, and explain what effect toe out has to handling? What is an apex and tell me what the side effects of apexing too early?
Paul
08-17-01, 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by Silkworm
RX7nCRX,
So tell me... What'd ya run at the last autocross you attended? What was your PAX place?
What about lap times at the race track? Sebring? Roebling Road? Road Atlanta?
Oh, you've got 1/4 mile times tho.. Interesting, there's not a hell of a lot of handling involved there, eh? So I guess you've got a straightline piece of garbage... Why else do you have a NOS kit, can't use it auto-x'ing or road racing..
So tell me, WTF do you know about handling? Tell me why negative camber is a good thing for a race car, and explain what effect toe out has to handling? What is an apex and tell me what the side effects of apexing too early?
Paul
RX7nCRX,
So tell me... What'd ya run at the last autocross you attended? What was your PAX place?
What about lap times at the race track? Sebring? Roebling Road? Road Atlanta?
Oh, you've got 1/4 mile times tho.. Interesting, there's not a hell of a lot of handling involved there, eh? So I guess you've got a straightline piece of garbage... Why else do you have a NOS kit, can't use it auto-x'ing or road racing..
So tell me, WTF do you know about handling? Tell me why negative camber is a good thing for a race car, and explain what effect toe out has to handling? What is an apex and tell me what the side effects of apexing too early?
Paul
Also, you don't have to be at the track every weekend to care about handling. Hence the reason mazda created the rx-7 with handling in mind, hence the reason why consumers purchase miata's.
I only run my cars on the street, thats it. And yes, handling still seems to play a big part in the way I drive my car on the street.
The rx-7 was built around the rotary, its stupid to take it out, it defeats the purpose of the car. When you add weight and put a domestic motor in it, you are killing the car. But hey, do what you want, but as an american, I have the right to voice my opinion and thats what I'm doing.
08-17-01, 11:53 PM
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Also, negative camber is a bad thing isn't it? Or is it positive, I know you want the bottom of your wheels facing more out. Whatever I sound like an idiot when I talk about specs like that. Hell I know thats what you want to hear, so there you go. The apex is the dead middle of the turn, if that makes sense, its when you would come in wide - narrow - wide.... the narrow section being the apex. If you hit the apex to early, wouldn't you just run off the track.
Whatever, I don't know much about the specs of handling. I do know if you put a GN motor in an rx-7 you greatly damage the balance and handling of the car, being that you now have a heavier motor, drivetrain, poor balance and no longer have a front-mid mounted motor. That defeats the purpose of an rx-7. But like i said, do what you want, this is just my opinion.
Whatever, I don't know much about the specs of handling. I do know if you put a GN motor in an rx-7 you greatly damage the balance and handling of the car, being that you now have a heavier motor, drivetrain, poor balance and no longer have a front-mid mounted motor. That defeats the purpose of an rx-7. But like i said, do what you want, this is just my opinion.
08-18-01, 11:09 AM
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Well, Here's my two cents...
That Chevy vortec is a great engine capable of a lot of power, the GMC typhoon is a supercharged Blazer that puts out 300 HP!
I love rotary engines, I have dumped thousands of dollars into mine, but that is also the reason I hate them. OK, rotaries rev higher. Wow. Next time I'm sitting in a parking lot having a redline contest I'll feel really swell.
Anyone know why the RX-7 was dicontinued here?? Low sales due to reputation of having lots of problems. I don't know of any other car that requires engine rebuilds or replacment so frequently to fix problems. We own RX-7's, we like to be different, but we pay a price. I personally would enjoy my car even if it had a V-6 in it. I love the style, the leather interior, the handling, everything. I see where rotary lovers are coming from,(I'm one) but I am starting to wonder if eyes are a little closed when people are flaming any kind of car and engine just because it isn't an RX-7. It really does have alot of problems, but I think we're just used to them, and we forget that any 1988 Honda won't have a million electrical problems, carbon build up, power that's nowhere near factory numbers, seized thingimajigs, leaking oil, and "Only smokes a Bit at startup!" (great...)
Hey, thats the price we pay to be perverse and run with a rotary, but it doesnt' mean everything else is crap.
Just my opinion.
That Chevy vortec is a great engine capable of a lot of power, the GMC typhoon is a supercharged Blazer that puts out 300 HP!
I love rotary engines, I have dumped thousands of dollars into mine, but that is also the reason I hate them. OK, rotaries rev higher. Wow. Next time I'm sitting in a parking lot having a redline contest I'll feel really swell.
Anyone know why the RX-7 was dicontinued here?? Low sales due to reputation of having lots of problems. I don't know of any other car that requires engine rebuilds or replacment so frequently to fix problems. We own RX-7's, we like to be different, but we pay a price. I personally would enjoy my car even if it had a V-6 in it. I love the style, the leather interior, the handling, everything. I see where rotary lovers are coming from,(I'm one) but I am starting to wonder if eyes are a little closed when people are flaming any kind of car and engine just because it isn't an RX-7. It really does have alot of problems, but I think we're just used to them, and we forget that any 1988 Honda won't have a million electrical problems, carbon build up, power that's nowhere near factory numbers, seized thingimajigs, leaking oil, and "Only smokes a Bit at startup!" (great...)
Hey, thats the price we pay to be perverse and run with a rotary, but it doesnt' mean everything else is crap.
Just my opinion.
08-19-01, 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by RX7nCRX
Also, you guys are dumb. If you put a 350 in an rx-7, you do NOT have a 2800 lb car with a 350.... you have a well over 3000 lb car with a 350 and poor handling. Same goes with the buick motor.
Also, you guys are dumb. If you put a 350 in an rx-7, you do NOT have a 2800 lb car with a 350.... you have a well over 3000 lb car with a 350 and poor handling. Same goes with the buick motor.
A SBC only adds 125 or so pounds to the weight of an FC, even less if you go with more aluminum parts or a Ford engine instead. A 2750lb V8 conversion is common.
Its lame, it defeats the purpose of the 7.
I think I'll put a 327 in my SA just to **** you off. And run 11's, and be able to drive it daily on pump fuel, and not worry about a bad tank of gas killing my engine.
08-20-01, 09:51 PM
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I had an 88 t2. Bought it 2 yrs ago. took 1 month to fiogure out what's wrong with it and smog (CA sucks for that). 3 weeks later, apex seal blew, new engine needed. Took 5 months to get the engine, turbo rebuilt, and about 3 dozen other new parts that the engine bay NEEDED. That's the big key with rotaries, they ALWAYS need something. The cart ran great for 3 months. Then every week, something would brek on it. Stuff that I didn't replace during the engine swap (engine came straight from mazda) that passed the shop manual tests during the swap. The weekly breakdowns happened straight through december when the car broke down every day. I sold the car (any guesses why?) and now I have a piston engine. I bought a 94 Pontiac Grand Prix. Not once did it break down in the 8 months I owned it. I owned the 88 t2 for 16 months, only drove it for a total of 5 months. The rest of the time it sat needing to be fixed due to fear of apex seal break. When I gave the pontiac to my mom, found out the intake seals were starting to go (*** who worked on the car before tightened the bolts down too much, boom goes the seal). No loss of compression in any of the valves. the car had been running ok (a minor rough idle, an ever so often over heat) for 5 months. no problems after replacing the seal. In fact, a crap load easier to work on than the shitty rotary.
There's my case. I love the design of the 2nd and 3rd gens. I plan on getting a 2nd gen n/a and putting a c-5 v-8 in it. Kick the crap out of all you panzy, fix with over priced parts every weekend, rotary owners. The valve engine is a lot more reliable than the rotary.
Don't get me wrong. The rotary is an excellent engine design (the engine itself). The **** mazda put around the engine sucks, which in turn makes the engine suck.
My view. Any of you who remember my posts on the fc3s.org message boards know exactly what I'm talking about.
There's my case. I love the design of the 2nd and 3rd gens. I plan on getting a 2nd gen n/a and putting a c-5 v-8 in it. Kick the crap out of all you panzy, fix with over priced parts every weekend, rotary owners. The valve engine is a lot more reliable than the rotary.
Don't get me wrong. The rotary is an excellent engine design (the engine itself). The **** mazda put around the engine sucks, which in turn makes the engine suck.
My view. Any of you who remember my posts on the fc3s.org message boards know exactly what I'm talking about.
08-20-01, 10:33 PM
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Bam BAm7 sasid
"Anyone know why the RX-7 was dicontinued here?? Low sales due to reputation of having lots of problems. I don't know of any other car that requires engine rebuilds or replacment so frequently to fix problems. "
Wrong: the rx7 was discontinued over here because of the following
as far as that goes all four of the cars i mentioned had low sales the last yeas they were made)
All the four jap supercars(300zx,300gt,supra, rx7) were getting expensive..very close to 40 thousand i believe..that was too much. Insurance was also a fortune. I know for the rx7 it cost alot to meet emmissions. also SUVs were coming out and they were the new thing not sportscars. As for the engine beign trouble prone it varies from car maker to car maker. A big problem was the mechanics did not know how ot work on them which i will admit that is sad..but a lot of problems with the third gens is some kind of vaccum leak(72 vaccum lines) and the damn mechanic would say bad motor.
so far as what wizzbangca said ..
hey i had a 2000 ford ranger with a 4.0 V6 5 spd..that needed a new motor(only had 800 miles when problem started; i bought it brand new with 9 miles..and did not abuse it) so does every ford ranger suck....i talked to a guy that worked at a ford dealership he had a explorer...he had the same problem i had...the dealership i went to the service guy went out and said he got another ranger to do it....so that was only 3 cars i know that does not constitute so say every ranger sucks.....
ALL ai m asaying to both post is that there is a lemon produced at efery automaker plant...i dont give adamn who it is....none of this is meant as flaming so dont take it that way
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"Anyone know why the RX-7 was dicontinued here?? Low sales due to reputation of having lots of problems. I don't know of any other car that requires engine rebuilds or replacment so frequently to fix problems. "
Wrong: the rx7 was discontinued over here because of the following
as far as that goes all four of the cars i mentioned had low sales the last yeas they were made)All the four jap supercars(300zx,300gt,supra, rx7) were getting expensive..very close to 40 thousand i believe..that was too much. Insurance was also a fortune. I know for the rx7 it cost alot to meet emmissions. also SUVs were coming out and they were the new thing not sportscars. As for the engine beign trouble prone it varies from car maker to car maker. A big problem was the mechanics did not know how ot work on them which i will admit that is sad..but a lot of problems with the third gens is some kind of vaccum leak(72 vaccum lines) and the damn mechanic would say bad motor.
so far as what wizzbangca said ..
hey i had a 2000 ford ranger with a 4.0 V6 5 spd..that needed a new motor(only had 800 miles when problem started; i bought it brand new with 9 miles..and did not abuse it) so does every ford ranger suck....i talked to a guy that worked at a ford dealership he had a explorer...he had the same problem i had...the dealership i went to the service guy went out and said he got another ranger to do it....so that was only 3 cars i know that does not constitute so say every ranger sucks.....
ALL ai m asaying to both post is that there is a lemon produced at efery automaker plant...i dont give adamn who it is....none of this is meant as flaming so dont take it that way
later
08-20-01, 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by peejay
A SBC only adds 125 or so pounds to the weight of an FC, even less if you go with more aluminum parts or a Ford engine instead. A 2750lb V8 conversion is common.
A SBC only adds 125 or so pounds to the weight of an FC, even less if you go with more aluminum parts or a Ford engine instead. A 2750lb V8 conversion is common.
What, having a small, fast 2-seater isn't the purpose of the 7? Because that's why I like them.
As for rotary engines, if that's all I wanted then I'd hunt down an RX-3 or something. The RX-7 is more than just its engine, and saying that putting a different engine in it "defeats the purpose" is saying the car is just a pile of **** with a cool engine, which couldn't be further from the truth.
I think I'll put a 327 in my SA just to **** you off. And run 11's, and be able to drive it daily on pump fuel, and not worry about a bad tank of gas killing my engine.
I think I'll put a 327 in my SA just to **** you off. And run 11's, and be able to drive it daily on pump fuel, and not worry about a bad tank of gas killing my engine.
Maybe even a 12A...Brad
08-20-01, 11:57 PM
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Only about 3 people in this thread have any sense.
gnx7 is one of them.
It's kinda funny how all the people that talk about when high hp rotaries break, don't have one at all.
gnx7 is one of them.
It's kinda funny how all the people that talk about when high hp rotaries break, don't have one at all.
08-21-01, 01:44 PM
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I'll give that every car model manufactured has a lemon every now and then. What does it say when every time I speek to an ex rx-7 owner they say their car either caught fire or kept breaking down, sometimes even both?
Sense? Only 3 people have any sense? Let's see here...
Is it sensible to buy a ticking time bomb? Remember that the 86 - 88s like to crap out the screw in the pd and puke gas all over the turbos and exhaust manifold. I've seen 3 cases in the local junk yard in the last 4 months and ran into a victim just last month. Check out Beyond The Redline (beyondtheredline.fd3s.net), a 10 AE suffering from this problem and an FD suffering from the commmon engine bay getting too hot porblem. Great for Aaron for fixing the cars, he's done a great job from what I see.
Let's talk engine warranties. I could get a rebuilt c-5 v8 with a 5yr/100,000 mile warranty. A rotary comes with a 1 yr/10,000 mile warranty. Even my brother's 4 banger has a 5 yr/100,000 warranty.
Anyone see any lunacy now?
Sense? Only 3 people have any sense? Let's see here...
Is it sensible to buy a ticking time bomb? Remember that the 86 - 88s like to crap out the screw in the pd and puke gas all over the turbos and exhaust manifold. I've seen 3 cases in the local junk yard in the last 4 months and ran into a victim just last month. Check out Beyond The Redline (beyondtheredline.fd3s.net), a 10 AE suffering from this problem and an FD suffering from the commmon engine bay getting too hot porblem. Great for Aaron for fixing the cars, he's done a great job from what I see.
Let's talk engine warranties. I could get a rebuilt c-5 v8 with a 5yr/100,000 mile warranty. A rotary comes with a 1 yr/10,000 mile warranty. Even my brother's 4 banger has a 5 yr/100,000 warranty.
Anyone see any lunacy now?
08-21-01, 05:52 PM
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wow!
So I haven't checked out this thread for a while as I thought it was dead.... but WOW! Some opinions and thoughts are being thrown around which is good.
Believe it or not.... but the 13B with stock exhaust and manifold is heavier than you think. It is still pretty damn light. The exhaust system itself must weigh 45lbs, and T2 transmissions are damn heavy because they are pretty bulletproof. But this thread isn't really an issue about weight... it is more about picking the heart out of the RX-7 and putting in domestic power. Right? That will then mess up the handling and true point of the car.
RX7nCRX
Well my car weighs 2670lbs in drag race trim and 2720lbs in street trim..... not much heavier than with the 13B. If I did upgrade the suspension I believe the handling would still be excellent. I plan to someday.... but that isn't in the cards. going 10's is the first priority....
Dollar for dollar being about the same.... a hi-po piston engine will last longer than a hi-po rotary. Sorry guys... it is true.
Now the fact that 1.3 liter engine can make 600rwhp+ in race conditions is mind blowing. But this is not a daily driven engine by any means and longevity will be a question.
Can one have a 650rwhp daily driven piston engine? YES! Will it last forever....? No! But I'm sure an owner with a similar HP 13B will be rebuilding it 2-3 times for every one time the piston engine needs to be redone.
Pee jay said it well "What, having a small, fast 2-seater isn't the purpose of the 7?"
The above statement is the reason why we are all on this messageboard isn't it? I love the looks of the RX-7, plus the fact that it is light, aerodynamic, handles well, and is recognized as a true sports car. With a more powerful heart the car just becomes that much better IMO.
Would you rather have a 350hp RX-7 that is marginally reliable..... or a 500hp RX-7 that is reliable for the most part and will smoke nearly everything on the road.
Everyone has an opinion.... and noone is truly right.... but dollar for dollar and reliability speaking an all aluminum LS1 making 450rwhp naturally aspirated would retain the great RX-7 handling characteristics and give it phenominal reliable power. Plus it could be a 6 speed.....! Plus it would be cheaper than doing a similar 13B turbo. If you want ludicrous power than supercharge or turbo the LS1 and be untouchable. There is an LS1's dyno'ing at 700rwhp+ and running 10.1's@135mph+ with only 15psi. When they turn up the wick more the car will run 9's..... Just an example of power..... Or a Supra TT motor in the RX-7 is my dream?
So now let's hear the mud slinging as that is the best part about this thread.
Everyone have a skippy go lucky damn happy sunny brite smiley day!
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Believe it or not.... but the 13B with stock exhaust and manifold is heavier than you think. It is still pretty damn light. The exhaust system itself must weigh 45lbs, and T2 transmissions are damn heavy because they are pretty bulletproof. But this thread isn't really an issue about weight... it is more about picking the heart out of the RX-7 and putting in domestic power. Right? That will then mess up the handling and true point of the car.
RX7nCRX
Well my car weighs 2670lbs in drag race trim and 2720lbs in street trim..... not much heavier than with the 13B. If I did upgrade the suspension I believe the handling would still be excellent. I plan to someday.... but that isn't in the cards. going 10's is the first priority....
Dollar for dollar being about the same.... a hi-po piston engine will last longer than a hi-po rotary. Sorry guys... it is true.
Now the fact that 1.3 liter engine can make 600rwhp+ in race conditions is mind blowing. But this is not a daily driven engine by any means and longevity will be a question.
Can one have a 650rwhp daily driven piston engine? YES! Will it last forever....? No! But I'm sure an owner with a similar HP 13B will be rebuilding it 2-3 times for every one time the piston engine needs to be redone.
Pee jay said it well "What, having a small, fast 2-seater isn't the purpose of the 7?"
The above statement is the reason why we are all on this messageboard isn't it? I love the looks of the RX-7, plus the fact that it is light, aerodynamic, handles well, and is recognized as a true sports car. With a more powerful heart the car just becomes that much better IMO.
Would you rather have a 350hp RX-7 that is marginally reliable..... or a 500hp RX-7 that is reliable for the most part and will smoke nearly everything on the road.
Everyone has an opinion.... and noone is truly right.... but dollar for dollar and reliability speaking an all aluminum LS1 making 450rwhp naturally aspirated would retain the great RX-7 handling characteristics and give it phenominal reliable power. Plus it could be a 6 speed.....! Plus it would be cheaper than doing a similar 13B turbo. If you want ludicrous power than supercharge or turbo the LS1 and be untouchable. There is an LS1's dyno'ing at 700rwhp+ and running 10.1's@135mph+ with only 15psi. When they turn up the wick more the car will run 9's..... Just an example of power..... Or a Supra TT motor in the RX-7 is my dream?
So now let's hear the mud slinging as that is the best part about this thread.
Everyone have a skippy go lucky damn happy sunny brite smiley day!
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Originally posted by wizzbangca
I had an 88 t2. Bought it 2 yrs ago. took 1 month to fiogure out what's wrong with it and smog (CA sucks for that). 3 weeks later, apex seal blew, new engine needed. Took 5 months to get the engine, turbo rebuilt, and about 3 dozen other new parts that the engine bay NEEDED. That's the big key with rotaries, they ALWAYS need something. The cart ran great for 3 months. Then every week, something would brek on it. Stuff that I didn't replace during the engine swap (engine came straight from mazda) that passed the shop manual tests during the swap. The weekly breakdowns happened straight through december when the car broke down every day. I sold the car (any guesses why?) and now I have a piston engine. I bought a 94 Pontiac Grand Prix. Not once did it break down in the 8 months I owned it. I owned the 88 t2 for 16 months, only drove it for a total of 5 months. The rest of the time it sat needing to be fixed due to fear of apex seal break. When I gave the pontiac to my mom, found out the intake seals were starting to go (*** who worked on the car before tightened the bolts down too much, boom goes the seal). No loss of compression in any of the valves. the car had been running ok (a minor rough idle, an ever so often over heat) for 5 months. no problems after replacing the seal. In fact, a crap load easier to work on than the shitty rotary.
There's my case. I love the design of the 2nd and 3rd gens. I plan on getting a 2nd gen n/a and putting a c-5 v-8 in it. Kick the crap out of all you panzy, fix with over priced parts every weekend, rotary owners. The valve engine is a lot more reliable than the rotary.
Don't get me wrong. The rotary is an excellent engine design (the engine itself). The **** mazda put around the engine sucks, which in turn makes the engine suck.
My view. Any of you who remember my posts on the fc3s.org message boards know exactly what I'm talking about.
I had an 88 t2. Bought it 2 yrs ago. took 1 month to fiogure out what's wrong with it and smog (CA sucks for that). 3 weeks later, apex seal blew, new engine needed. Took 5 months to get the engine, turbo rebuilt, and about 3 dozen other new parts that the engine bay NEEDED. That's the big key with rotaries, they ALWAYS need something. The cart ran great for 3 months. Then every week, something would brek on it. Stuff that I didn't replace during the engine swap (engine came straight from mazda) that passed the shop manual tests during the swap. The weekly breakdowns happened straight through december when the car broke down every day. I sold the car (any guesses why?) and now I have a piston engine. I bought a 94 Pontiac Grand Prix. Not once did it break down in the 8 months I owned it. I owned the 88 t2 for 16 months, only drove it for a total of 5 months. The rest of the time it sat needing to be fixed due to fear of apex seal break. When I gave the pontiac to my mom, found out the intake seals were starting to go (*** who worked on the car before tightened the bolts down too much, boom goes the seal). No loss of compression in any of the valves. the car had been running ok (a minor rough idle, an ever so often over heat) for 5 months. no problems after replacing the seal. In fact, a crap load easier to work on than the shitty rotary.
There's my case. I love the design of the 2nd and 3rd gens. I plan on getting a 2nd gen n/a and putting a c-5 v-8 in it. Kick the crap out of all you panzy, fix with over priced parts every weekend, rotary owners. The valve engine is a lot more reliable than the rotary.
Don't get me wrong. The rotary is an excellent engine design (the engine itself). The **** mazda put around the engine sucks, which in turn makes the engine suck.
My view. Any of you who remember my posts on the fc3s.org message boards know exactly what I'm talking about.
My good friend has an 88' N/A rx7 with 130,000 miles, properly maintained, has intake, gutted cats, cat back and has been driven pretty hard all the time. This car will never smoke on start up or any other time... has never had anything replaced, NOTHING wrong. Why? because its properly maintained. In fact, my car I took it up to 140,000 miles and it had a tiny bit of smoke on start up that you couldn't even see from inside the car, without ever being rebuilt, then I just rebuilt it for the power.
The turbo's I really don't know much about, but I know there are 80,000 mile + 93' and up cars out there without rebuilds and running 14+ PSI... PROPERLY MAINTAINED.
If you can't maintain your car, then don't come here and complain.
Also, the rotary is about liking the feel of the motor, and the way it performs, its different. You shouldn't buy an rx-7 if you don't want to keep a rotary in it, if you really wanna be different, buy a tracker, thats a 2200 lb car with rwd, drop a v6 turbo in that. But whatever, do what you want.
08-22-01, 12:46 AM
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Wow, there's an aweful lot of ignorance and pride up in here, not two things that go well together.
Some of you people make me want to install a turbo V-6 in my convertible just to **** you off.
For the record, I'd buy that GTU for $1500, that's a damn good deal on the car and it'll probably run reliably for a very long time. Even if it broke, it looks easy enough to work on and parts would be dirt cheap.
Some of you people make me want to install a turbo V-6 in my convertible just to **** you off.
For the record, I'd buy that GTU for $1500, that's a damn good deal on the car and it'll probably run reliably for a very long time. Even if it broke, it looks easy enough to work on and parts would be dirt cheap.
08-22-01, 01:05 AM
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hmmm, ignorance i agree, it doesnt **** me off that they put piston engines in, its just not ethical or politically correct, i guess that works lol, reliable, ive been driving my 87 for 6 months straight, never once have i had to replacxe anything at all, and i run it hard, if you can maintan the car right it works great, i change my oil and plugs every 1k miles, apex seals dont break from HP they break from stupidity of not having the timing set right, my 87 has 167k miles, it doesnt smoke at all anytime, it runs perfect, starts easily, has exhaust, not intake yet. if you want a piston engine, i say buy somethin that was built around a piston engine, but its not up to me, you do what you want. personally mykl, if you went and put in a piston engine to **** everyone off that would be a down fall on your part 
lol damn piston engines, they have just as many problems and break downs as rotaries, proper maintenance, thats all there is to it, is that too hard to comprehend?? my 86 yea the engine blew at 146k miles, but that was my own stupid fault, didnt put a wire to hold the OMP rod in the TB and it came out.
lol damn piston engines, they have just as many problems and break downs as rotaries, proper maintenance, thats all there is to it, is that too hard to comprehend?? my 86 yea the engine blew at 146k miles, but that was my own stupid fault, didnt put a wire to hold the OMP rod in the TB and it came out.
08-22-01, 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by RX7nCRX
Seems like all your saying with this post is that you are a shitty mechanic who cannot properly maintain a car.
If you can't maintain your car, then don't come here and complain.
Seems like all your saying with this post is that you are a shitty mechanic who cannot properly maintain a car.
If you can't maintain your car, then don't come here and complain.
I thought we were debating rotary vs piston engines, not ignorantly insulting each other without ever having seen each other in person. How can we insult each other without knowing anything about each other's lives and technical know-how?
On with the debating!!!!
I'd say over 300,000 miles on an original engine is incredible. I'd love to read some one who has an original rotary engine with over 300,000 miles it with the original tranny (niether rebuilt), and the only work needed to be done is the normal maintenance.
08-22-01, 04:08 PM
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Holy Crap, Everybody is so brutal, exept a few!!! We love rotaries, We love rx7's. To see everyone fight so fiercely is exactly what makes Rx7's what they are. They are not drag kings or autocross masters but in one simple word that makes everyone say "F#ck you, to the guy telling you your car is a weed-eater"...........they are different. In the end it's not the price (a bit much in my opinion), not the HorsePower, but the love of something that is totally diferent from anything else that has ever been mass produced... It's like rock&roll when everyone else in the world was listening to bebop, and country. We can argue all day about which is better, which is faster, more reliable, bla bla bla.......But the real reason I love Rx7's, is the beauty of this different, complete package. To bump in to a guy the gas pump that says "Hey, nice Wankel".........Pure Bliss...
08-22-01, 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_D
mykl, if you went and put in a piston engine to **** everyone off that would be a down fall on your part lol
mykl, if you went and put in a piston engine to **** everyone off that would be a down fall on your part
lol
That said, what other people want to do with their car is their business. It's stupid and childish to bicker and argue about this. It's even more childish to say **** like, "yeah well how about we put a rotary in a '65 Mustang or an old T-bucket". Okay, put a rotary in an old muscle car or a piston powered classic of some type, like it matters.
This will never end, this forum will continue to go round and round on this subject and nothing I say will change that.
On one hand, we have the rotary, and all of its blind followers, most of whom have no idea why they like it so much. The only thing they know is that it's in their car, and since it's in their car they have to take offense when somebody does something to their RX-7 that they don't like.
Also among this group are a select few individuals who have a clue, they know what's going on under the hood have well thought out opinions to why it's so good, not just the typical "pistons are crap" arguement that you see so often. These people understand the advantages and the drawbacks of the rotary and are quick to point them all out, unlike the previously mentioned group.
Now on the other hand we've got folks who like the RX-7 for it's other many many attractive features, like the lightweight chassis and the great handling. These people don't give a **** what's under the hood, as long as it's fast.
08-22-01, 07:37 PM
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Now on the other hand we've got folks who like the RX-7 for it's other many many attractive features, like the lightweight chassis and the great handling. These people don't give a **** what's under the hood, as long as it's fast.
Amen brother.......
Me likes a high HP powered RX-7..... regardless of what is under the hood.
GNX7
Now on the other hand we've got folks who like the RX-7 for it's other many many attractive features, like the lightweight chassis and the great handling. These people don't give a **** what's under the hood, as long as it's fast.
Amen brother.......
Me likes a high HP powered RX-7..... regardless of what is under the hood.
GNX7