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Old May 14, 2012 | 04:27 PM
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I have been chasing down an issue with my FC since day one of owning her, and recent symptoms indicate that there is some type of ground or shorting issue.
Anyone know where or how to chase down a short aside from pulling the whole wiring harness and swapping in another one?

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Car has a sporadic idle. All symptoms point to bad TPS, BAC, OR AFM, swapping all theses sensors made no change.
If I turn the heater on full blast and turn the headlights on the car idle smooths out. So the electrical load is lessening the short somewhere and allowing the injectors to get proper voltage and fire correctly.
Lastly when the car is full throttle the stock coolant temp gauge on the dash acts like it's turning off. Just completely falls as if the engine is off, but once I'm not full throttle it bounces back to the normal temp reading.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 06:33 PM
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rule #1 is to try to isolate the issue to a specific circuit in the car, if you can narrow it dow as much as possible the fix is usually really easy.

since there are two symptoms, we can look at them separately and see where they intersect.

the gauges are fed power from the meter fuse, so that fuse/circuit is worth checking. i don't know where else that circuit goes...

the others are a little non specific, but i'd be tempted to try a different main relay, or ignition switch (i think you could probably clean them).

the diaring wiregram is @www.foxed.ca if you don't have it. go to school, and find the biggest printer and print it out
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Old May 14, 2012 | 06:52 PM
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So the electrical load is lessening the short somewhere and allowing the injectors to get proper voltage and fire correctly.
Not the way it works. If there's a short, there's a short. Electrical load doesn't lessen shorts. What is happening is the extra load on your alternator is loading the engine down. This also causes the BAC to open more when the idle speed goes down, thus forcing the ECU to deliver fuel in a different part of the map. So more likely, it makes it run more rich as the idle speed goes down slightly, but the engine load goes up (as sensed by the MAP sensor). It's hard to say what the issue is, but if you're having a sporadic idle, things to check would include vacuum leaks, TPS adjustment (using VOLTAGE, and not just 1kohms unplugged), timing, grounds (not shorts), ignition, etc.

I ended up giving up on the stock FC 20+ year old wiring and ecu and built my own full standalone and wiring harness. 1980's fuel injection is sketchy at best.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 07:58 PM
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Literally every single sensor under the hood has been replaced except the BAC.
See detailed thread here: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...637&styleid=12
Hence my thinking now that it must be a grounding issue somewhere.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 09:00 PM
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Aaron Cake: Grounding
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Old May 14, 2012 | 10:17 PM
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sporadic idles are usually vacuum leaks; assuming you don't have a vacuum leak, the next thing is to make sure you have a good battery with good battery cable connections

you will need wiring diagram from the FSM... i would print one out so you can write on it

than check all aftermarket wiring hacks.. radio, alarms, turbo timers, amps, gauges, lights, electric fans... etc... all that Chinese crap is a prime source for nightmares.

check the alternator, make sure it is operating correctly

one by one pull fuses from the fuse box to see if you can isolate the circuit

also, the rats nest is full of potential dried up and cracked wires just looking to short

you might think about investing in a power probe, its a test light on steroids

http://www.powerprobe.com/PP1.html

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Old May 14, 2012 | 10:53 PM
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I've already done all the grounding mods. There is no vacuum leak. It has to be a wiring issue somewhere. Brand new Optima. Main cables are fine. Alt is a reman FD alt that's only 2 years old. 11.8V on everything that should see 12v. I finally installed my SAFC NEO today hoping to crank up the fuel at idle to get it to idle correctly, but that didn't help at all. One thing I did notice was that with the throttle closed, TPS voltage at the ECU is .8v. I tried adjusting the screw and it stayed at .8V regardless of how I adjusted it. There are no aftermarket wiring hack jobs. Everything aftermarket in the car I have installed, and the problem has existed since I've owned the car. I spent the batter part of 6 hours today looking for wiring issues and they only thing I saw out of the ordinary was this:

All that nasty corrosion...
I think the wiring harness is shot. At this point I cant think of any other solution.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 11:17 PM
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Call up your Mazda dealer. I work at a Chevy dealer and we can get connectors with pigtails for damn near anything. Its worth a shot. I have seen before corrosion to backfeed circuits which sounds like whats goin on. At minimum clean the corrosion and see if anything changes. I recommend changing that connector anyways.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 11:25 PM
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I that the cruise control module or the CPU(not to be confused with the ECU)?
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Old May 17, 2012 | 12:40 AM
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Anyone know what that box I have pictured is?
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Old May 17, 2012 | 08:26 AM
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Cpu.
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Old May 17, 2012 | 08:50 AM
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Yeah, CPU.
The cruise computer only has one connector.
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Old May 21, 2012 | 08:58 PM
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Miraculous fix. So I took a dame out for lunch the other day, and on my way home I was not very nice to my FC. When I was done on my drive, I stopped at a light and it was idling perfectly at 1200 RPM. So I turned down the idle to 750 RPMS, and the car has been absolutely perfect for 7 days now. I have no idea how, or what, happened, but somehow no lift shifts and clutch kicking fixed my issue. I'm guessing what ever was shorted, god knows where, pulled itself back into line and the car is driving great now... Typical Rx-7, if you treat it nice it won't run, but beat and abuse her and she's as happy as a clam.
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Old May 21, 2012 | 10:15 PM
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Jeez, you know a dame?
I only know broads.

Here's lookin at you, kid..
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Old May 21, 2012 | 10:21 PM
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I love the words: dame, broad, and bird. lol
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Old May 22, 2012 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k
Miraculous fix. So I took a dame out for lunch the other day, and on my way home I was not very nice to my FC. When I was done on my drive, I stopped at a light and it was idling perfectly at 1200 RPM. So I turned down the idle to 750 RPMS, and the car has been absolutely perfect for 7 days now. I have no idea how, or what, happened, but somehow no lift shifts and clutch kicking fixed my issue. I'm guessing what ever was shorted, god knows where, pulled itself back into line and the car is driving great now... Typical Rx-7, if you treat it nice it won't run, but beat and abuse her and she's as happy as a clam.
hmm, two ideas! maybe the bird did something, or the car just LIKES her. i've seen it happen before...

the second idea is that maybe the clutch switch was bad... maybe all that clutch kicking fixed it?
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Old May 22, 2012 | 02:45 PM
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Either Rxy likes her, or she's jealous and decided to finally behave. Although 2 nights ago the cat decided to commit suicide... I don't think it was the clutch switch. I've never had starting issues -aside from a bad starter.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 03:15 PM
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Another Idea: High resistance, like corrosion, at certain connectors. When you were testing, disconnecting, and reconnecting connectors, you got rid of the resistance.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 03:24 PM
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The pic I posted seems to confirm that theory. I think I should pick up a wiring harness to rewrap and clean up while the car is running well.
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k
Either Rxy likes her, or she's jealous and decided to finally behave. Although 2 nights ago the cat decided to commit suicide... I don't think it was the clutch switch. I've never had starting issues -aside from a bad starter.
maybe the car killed the cat! it probably wouldn't be the first cat that Rx7 has killed (ha!)

there are two clutch switches, one for Americans to start the car without hitting stuff, and one for the ECU, maybe it was the other one?

either way, i'm happy you're happy
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